Comments on: Richard Armitage: New Chairman of the Premier Turkish Lobby in the US http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2009/11/06/richard-armitage-new-chairman-of-the-premier-turkish-lobby-in-the-us/ Politics, Civil Liberties, Media, Editorial, Activism Mon, 15 Mar 2010 02:51:58 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: zaknick http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2009/11/06/richard-armitage-new-chairman-of-the-premier-turkish-lobby-in-the-us/comment-page-1/#comment-3154 zaknick Mon, 09 Nov 2009 02:25:22 +0000 http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/?p=668#comment-3154 It is such a disheartening realization to understand this time more fully. Irving Kristol is a symptom of corrupting power unchecked; his son and Ariel Fleischer are two of the worst scumbags on the propaganda tube. Is this the Soviet Union? Is the NSA the KGB? Are the contemporary slaves the "drug offenders" in prison, 90% minorities? One ethnic group legislating black markets to foster atrocities (of course, requiring military/swat/paramilitary intervention, terrorizing the population or propping up drug buddy governments) and a climate of informants among the population in order to fund the "civil asset forfeiture" ready "drug police" who "attack the evil cartels" they themselves have generated among the populace; The "drug police" who just happen to be their own ethnic brethren and whose "criminals" are another ethnic group. To say nothing of stories like this: http://www.deepblacklies.co.uk/deep_black_1_2.htm (warning: little red pill) Who will wake us up from this nightmare? @ZB zb Says: You pigeonhole the alpha as neocon and wonder why you have no help. That is the most flat out mafia criminal statement I have ever heard. Very telling of thuggish ways among "honorable statesmen". It is such a disheartening realization to understand this time more fully. Irving Kristol is a symptom of corrupting power unchecked; his son and Ariel Fleischer are two of the worst scumbags on the propaganda tube. Is this the Soviet Union? Is the NSA the KGB? Are the contemporary slaves the “drug offenders” in prison, 90% minorities? One ethnic group legislating black markets to foster atrocities (of course, requiring military/swat/paramilitary intervention, terrorizing the population or propping up drug buddy governments) and a climate of informants among the population in order to fund the “civil asset forfeiture” ready “drug police” who “attack the evil cartels” they themselves have generated among the populace; The “drug police” who just happen to be their own ethnic brethren and whose “criminals” are another ethnic group.

To say nothing of stories like this:

http://www.deepblacklies.co.uk/deep_black_1_2.htm (warning: little red pill)

Who will wake us up from this nightmare?

@ZB

zb Says:

You pigeonhole the alpha as neocon and wonder why you have no help.

That is the most flat out mafia criminal statement I have ever heard. Very telling of thuggish ways among “honorable statesmen”.

]]> By: tonywicher http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2009/11/06/richard-armitage-new-chairman-of-the-premier-turkish-lobby-in-the-us/comment-page-1/#comment-3124 tonywicher Sun, 08 Nov 2009 07:12:09 +0000 http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/?p=668#comment-3124 Sibel, By the "neocon club" we do not seem to a group of people with some identifiable ideology, but simply a gang inside our government operating under cover of state secrecy. The primary motivation of the gang is not ideological but simply money and power as an end in itself. In the year 2000 they reached the presidency when the king snake, Poppy Bush, got his moron son into office. With the experienced duo of Cheney and Rumsfeld to handle everything, all Junior had to do was keep his mouth shut, which is the only thing he does know how to do. 9-11 was engineered as a result, primarily using Bush's longstanding Saudi connections with the bin Ladens and with Bandar Bush and Saudi intelligence. 9-11 was of course never investigated, only covered up during the Bush adminstration and of course it still has not been. The people who did it are still at large while our army chases the ghost of bin Laden around Afghanistan and the NSA continues to fabricate and authenticate fake bin Laden audio recordings. That's how I'm looking at it. What do you think? Sibel,

By the “neocon club” we do not seem to a group of people with some identifiable ideology, but simply a gang inside our government operating under cover of state secrecy. The primary motivation of the gang is not ideological but simply money and power as an end in itself. In the year 2000 they reached the presidency when the king snake, Poppy Bush, got his moron son into office. With the experienced duo of Cheney and Rumsfeld to handle everything, all Junior had to do was keep his mouth shut, which is the only thing he does know how to do. 9-11 was engineered as a result, primarily using Bush’s longstanding Saudi connections with the bin Ladens and with Bandar Bush and Saudi intelligence. 9-11 was of course never investigated, only covered up during the Bush adminstration and of course it still has not been. The people who did it are still at large while our army chases the ghost of bin Laden around Afghanistan and the NSA continues to fabricate and authenticate fake bin Laden audio recordings.

That’s how I’m looking at it. What do you think?

]]> By: remo http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2009/11/06/richard-armitage-new-chairman-of-the-premier-turkish-lobby-in-the-us/comment-page-1/#comment-3118 remo Sat, 07 Nov 2009 23:02:55 +0000 http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/?p=668#comment-3118 the higher up the chain, the bigger the secrets. the worse the lies the less in the loop will know them. The more powerfully they will protect them. the more permanent the solution to guard them. in neoxecon land the 'corners' have to be held by muscle. For me, armitage is /was muscle.High end. like the 'muscle hijacker' of commission lore. Definitions have been 'managed' all through this. Freedom means something to be endured where whole societies get carpeted in bombs.for what? Torture is enhanced interrogation.producing what? human rights are renditioned to boil in the tubs of uzbekistan. Fear. constitutional imperatives redacted. Conventions forged thru centuries of war discarded at the stroke of a little bush pen. explosive demolition becomes sequential collapse because we were told.Democracies 'owned' by 1% of its population still get called 'land of the free'....I just learned from a traveling 20yr old that jesus is american european and would torture to protect his country. The truths of the children no doubt. like the 911 commission comic book [Stan LEE: "should be required reading in every home, school, and library"]. Funny it never once mentioned MC Dickerson and high rise plans. the higher up the chain, the bigger the secrets. the worse the lies the less in the loop will know them. The more powerfully they will protect them. the more permanent the solution to guard them. in neoxecon land the ‘corners’ have to be held by muscle. For me, armitage is /was muscle.High end. like the ‘muscle hijacker’ of commission lore.
Definitions have been ‘managed’ all through this. Freedom means something to be endured where whole societies get carpeted in bombs.for what? Torture is enhanced interrogation.producing what? human rights are renditioned to boil in the tubs of uzbekistan. Fear. constitutional imperatives redacted. Conventions forged thru centuries of war discarded at the stroke of a little bush pen. explosive demolition becomes sequential collapse because we were told.Democracies ‘owned’ by 1% of its population still get called ‘land of the free’….I just learned from a traveling 20yr old that jesus is american european and would torture to protect his country. The truths of the children no doubt. like the 911 commission comic book [Stan LEE: "should be required reading in every home, school, and library"]. Funny it never once mentioned MC Dickerson and high rise plans.

]]> By: Bluebear2 http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2009/11/06/richard-armitage-new-chairman-of-the-premier-turkish-lobby-in-the-us/comment-page-1/#comment-3117 Bluebear2 Sat, 07 Nov 2009 18:32:24 +0000 http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/?p=668#comment-3117 Rob Clark: <i>heard Walter Cronkite state that the Pentagon had announced that our military would not go into Cambodia</i> I was 18 at the time and heard those same reports, full knowing 2 of my friends were already in Cambodia - had been for weeks. Rob Clark:

<i>heard Walter Cronkite state that the Pentagon had announced that our military would not go into Cambodia</i>

I was 18 at the time and heard those same reports, full knowing 2 of my friends were already in Cambodia – had been for weeks.

]]> By: Metem http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2009/11/06/richard-armitage-new-chairman-of-the-premier-turkish-lobby-in-the-us/comment-page-1/#comment-3115 Metem Sat, 07 Nov 2009 18:25:52 +0000 http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/?p=668#comment-3115 This is slightly off topic but in line with the interest of the blog in militarization of children's education. Apparently Northrop Grunman is sponsoring a <a>cartoon</a> on PBS aimed at pre-schoolers to early grade-schoolers. See <a>here</a> especially. This is slightly off topic but in line with the interest of the blog in militarization of children’s education. Apparently Northrop Grunman is sponsoring a cartoon on PBS aimed at pre-schoolers to early grade-schoolers. See here especially.

]]> By: Ishmael http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2009/11/06/richard-armitage-new-chairman-of-the-premier-turkish-lobby-in-the-us/comment-page-1/#comment-3114 Ishmael Sat, 07 Nov 2009 16:49:41 +0000 http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/?p=668#comment-3114 Ahhh. Richard Armitage. The Other designated fall guy for Cheney, providing just enough wiggle room over who actually compromised Plame/Brewster=Jennings for Libby to appear, well, slightly less guilty and keep attention diverted from Grossman. I offer this quote from Irving Kristol, founder of the Neoconservative movement and father of Bill Kristol, the George Costanza of pundits: "There are different kinds of truths for different kinds of people. There are truths appropriate for children; truths that are appropriate for students; truths that are appropriate for educated adults; and truths that are appropriate for highly educated adults, and the notion that there should be one set of truths available to everyone is a modern democratic fallacy. It doesn't work." Hmm. I guess, to them, truth is not so self-evident anymore. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53JkTgdTKd0 Ahhh. Richard Armitage. The Other designated fall guy for Cheney, providing just enough wiggle room over who actually compromised Plame/Brewster=Jennings for Libby to appear, well, slightly less guilty and keep attention diverted from Grossman. I offer this quote from Irving Kristol, founder of the Neoconservative movement and father of Bill Kristol, the George Costanza of pundits:

“There are different kinds of truths for different kinds of people. There are truths appropriate for children; truths that are appropriate for students; truths that are appropriate for educated adults; and truths that are appropriate for highly educated adults, and the notion that there should be one set of truths available to everyone is a modern democratic fallacy. It doesn’t work.”

Hmm. I guess, to them, truth is not so self-evident anymore.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53JkTgdTKd0

]]> By: Sibel Edmonds http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2009/11/06/richard-armitage-new-chairman-of-the-premier-turkish-lobby-in-the-us/comment-page-1/#comment-3111 Sibel Edmonds Sat, 07 Nov 2009 13:01:27 +0000 http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/?p=668#comment-3111 @ Kingfisher: There is 'Neoconism' the idealogy, and then, there is the 'Neocon Club' where this idealogy is supported, followed, and implemented. What is really disingenuous is your disregard of Armitage's actions, his practices, and his record. He was in there implementing the Neocons plans and policies; he was the enabler. That makes him a member of that Neocon club. What he believed, what kind of idealogy he had, didn't matter, and doesn't matter. What matters: he was chosen by them, not only he went along with the crowd, he actually enthusiastically went about plaing his role as an enabler. As simple as that. In fact, I consider him to be worse than many other Neocons; when the things got bad for the Neocons, he became the whining weasel and tried to sell himself as anti-Neocon. Not very different from the other weakling whining two-faced Collin Powell, who later, after the fact, after all the damages he did, came out trying to distance himself from his old bosses. These guys are chameleon parasites, and they represent their ideology based on who is in power, and what is the current trend. As for recommending to read what Armitage had to say (which changes based on what is in vogue): get real. It is like saying 'Francis Fukuyama' is a liberal anti-Neocon, based on what he wrote after 2004, when they started going down hill. I understand Armitage wanting to shake off that label, 'neocon', the one he earned and deserved, the one he avidly helped implement, what I don't understand is your gullible-ism to buy it. Maybe you are into bald guys who appear tough and talk from both sides of their mouth...Maybe you are one of the lefties who've chosen to excuse Armitage's role, to burry his real role in Brewster Jennings/Plame case, and his self-serving cashing in practices afterward, and instead pick a few easy target like Rove/Perle/Feith/Cheney and pertend that's the extend of Neocon Club... @ Kingfisher: There is ‘Neoconism’ the idealogy, and then, there is the ‘Neocon Club’ where this idealogy is supported, followed, and implemented. What is really disingenuous is your disregard of Armitage’s actions, his practices, and his record. He was in there implementing the Neocons plans and policies; he was the enabler. That makes him a member of that Neocon club. What he believed, what kind of idealogy he had, didn’t matter, and doesn’t matter. What matters: he was chosen by them, not only he went along with the crowd, he actually enthusiastically went about plaing his role as an enabler. As simple as that.

In fact, I consider him to be worse than many other Neocons; when the things got bad for the Neocons, he became the whining weasel and tried to sell himself as anti-Neocon. Not very different from the other weakling whining two-faced Collin Powell, who later, after the fact, after all the damages he did, came out trying to distance himself from his old bosses. These guys are chameleon parasites, and they represent their ideology based on who is in power, and what is the current trend.

As for recommending to read what Armitage had to say (which changes based on what is in vogue): get real. It is like saying ‘Francis Fukuyama’ is a liberal anti-Neocon, based on what he wrote after 2004, when they started going down hill.

I understand Armitage wanting to shake off that label, ‘neocon’, the one he earned and deserved, the one he avidly helped implement, what I don’t understand is your gullible-ism to buy it. Maybe you are into bald guys who appear tough and talk from both sides of their mouth…Maybe you are one of the lefties who’ve chosen to excuse Armitage’s role, to burry his real role in Brewster Jennings/Plame case, and his self-serving cashing in practices afterward, and instead pick a few easy target like Rove/Perle/Feith/Cheney and pertend that’s the extend of Neocon Club…

]]> By: ZicaTanka http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2009/11/06/richard-armitage-new-chairman-of-the-premier-turkish-lobby-in-the-us/comment-page-1/#comment-3110 ZicaTanka Sat, 07 Nov 2009 11:04:38 +0000 http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/?p=668#comment-3110 Maybe they got to him with sexual blackmail? Wouldn't want to blow that stoic image with photos of the human dildo show in Barnum's elephant tent. Better sign that letter. Or maybe he had different motivations for reaching the same goal and shares the by-any-means-necessary attitude of the neocons. Maybe they got to him with sexual blackmail? Wouldn’t want to blow that stoic image with photos of the human dildo show in Barnum’s elephant tent. Better sign that letter.

Or maybe he had different motivations for reaching the same goal and shares the by-any-means-necessary attitude of the neocons.

]]> By: Jade http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2009/11/06/richard-armitage-new-chairman-of-the-premier-turkish-lobby-in-the-us/comment-page-1/#comment-3109 Jade Sat, 07 Nov 2009 07:37:04 +0000 http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/?p=668#comment-3109 KF - Pretty difficult to imagine anyone who hung out with that crowd having an "aversion to ideology." Those people were and continue to be hyper-ideological. PNAC was a neocon think tank. In that letter, they were clearly focused on invading Iraq. And as soon as they gained power, they saw to it that they got their ideological wish. KF – Pretty difficult to imagine anyone who hung out with that crowd having an “aversion to ideology.” Those people were and continue to be hyper-ideological. PNAC was a neocon think tank. In that letter, they were clearly focused on invading Iraq. And as soon as they gained power, they saw to it that they got their ideological wish.

]]> By: zb http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2009/11/06/richard-armitage-new-chairman-of-the-premier-turkish-lobby-in-the-us/comment-page-1/#comment-3107 zb Sat, 07 Nov 2009 06:51:09 +0000 http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/?p=668#comment-3107 You pigeonhole the alpha as neocon and wonder why you have no help. You pigeonhole the alpha as neocon and wonder why you have no help.

]]> By: tonywicher http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2009/11/06/richard-armitage-new-chairman-of-the-premier-turkish-lobby-in-the-us/comment-page-1/#comment-3105 tonywicher Sat, 07 Nov 2009 05:14:55 +0000 http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/?p=668#comment-3105 The question is whether or not Armitage is a crook and a traitor, not whether he is a "neocon" or a "realist". The question is whether or not Armitage is a crook and a traitor, not whether he is a “neocon” or a “realist”.

]]> By: Kingfisher http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2009/11/06/richard-armitage-new-chairman-of-the-premier-turkish-lobby-in-the-us/comment-page-1/#comment-3104 Kingfisher Sat, 07 Nov 2009 01:11:34 +0000 http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/?p=668#comment-3104 <i>“@ King Fisher – It may be “unfair” of me, but I consider all PNAC folks neocons. See Armitage’s signature on the following PNAC letter to then-President Bill Clinton.”</i> I don’t think it is unfair, I just think it is wrong. I think it is a very superficial understanding of neoconservatism and its ideology. A cursory examination of Armitage’s background would reveal his aversion to idealogy, and his stark contrast to the neocons on China policy. <i>"i thought one of the definitions of neocon WAS armitage. Tough.silent. powerful. aggressive[bully] rich.Alpha. murderous[phoenix]secretive.stacked/wired/interconnected.innocent of all associations in crime/importation/export and has never pulled anything and knows nothing about drugs/guns/bodies. pure as the driven snow. salutes the flag."</i> Yes Armitage is a tough and silent guy, he was a combat veteran. You know who weren't combat veterans, aren't tough, and don't shut the hell up? Perle, Wolfowitz, Kristol, Bolton, et el. “@ King Fisher – It may be “unfair” of me, but I consider all PNAC folks neocons. See Armitage’s signature on the following PNAC letter to then-President Bill Clinton.”

I don’t think it is unfair, I just think it is wrong. I think it is a very superficial understanding of neoconservatism and its ideology. A cursory examination of Armitage’s background would reveal his aversion to idealogy, and his stark contrast to the neocons on China policy.

“i thought one of the definitions of neocon WAS armitage.
Tough.silent. powerful. aggressive[bully] rich.Alpha. murderous[phoenix]secretive.stacked/wired/interconnected.innocent of all associations in crime/importation/export and has never pulled anything and knows nothing about drugs/guns/bodies.
pure as the driven snow.
salutes the flag.”

Yes Armitage is a tough and silent guy, he was a combat veteran. You know who weren’t combat veterans, aren’t tough, and don’t shut the hell up? Perle, Wolfowitz, Kristol, Bolton, et el.

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