“What percentage of high school kids do you think know the FBI was implicated in public court documents in the ‘93 WTC bombing? Or about the Liberty being attacked by Israel? Or that a jury found the man who died in jail for the murder of MLK is innocent and that some branches of government were involved instead?”
What part of basic secondary education don’t you understand? You need to be able to walk before you can run. Getting these kids to “walk” is challenging enough, and those performing this duty should find honor and purpose in and of itself without promoting their agenda or pursuing social visions.

“If “culling the herd” is insulting to you, stop whining and explain why my take on history is faulty.”
It’s not personally insulting to me, beside that was a personal question to my penpal Zika. You originally wrote:
“By the times the trains started rolling, only the dirt poor and the physically and mentally unfit jewish folk were left in the ghettos. It’s called culling the heard.”
Which in response, I asked:
“With such eugenics in mind; would you agree that Rachel Corrie standing in front of an IDF bull dozer and getting plowed strengthens the gene pool?”
You have yet to address this question.

“Your side is on top now.”
What side is that? The pro 1990’s rap music, and anti standing in front of bulldozer side? You are chasing ghosts again.

What percentage of high school kids do you think know the FBI was implicated in public court documents in the ’93 WTC bombing? Or about the Liberty being attacked by Israel? Or that a jury found the man who died in jail for the murder of MLK is innocent and that some branches of government were involved instead?

Why did the CIA bring so much cheap cocaine into south central LA during the late 80′s that a crack epidemic began that ravages poor communitys to this day? Why is there a liquor store on every other corner in DC but very few jobs or job training programs? When our kids learn the truth, believe me, they will no longer be wasting their bullets on each other.

If “culling the herd” is insulting to you, stop whining and explain why my take on history is faulty. Rachel Corrie had more integrity in her left pinkie-toenail than you could ever dreaming of even knowing, much less having.

Your side is on top now. Violence is pandemic in our media. The youth have been made vulgar, stupid and uncaring. Things look bleak for peace and love on this globe. But after things get worse, they will get better. Good people FAR outnumber their opposite, they just need a little organizing, some truth through grassroots ownership of the media that will reverse decades of mind-numbing indoctrination that has them working against their own best interest and a clear view of their true enemy.

“But with proper education we will help everyone see where they should properly be directing their ire.”
I find it odd that fascists are always consumed with indoctrination of the youth.

I teach at a charter school in urban DC. I see the results every day.
But with proper education we will help everyone see where they should properly be directing their ire.

As far as Ice Cube goes, I think you’re taking a leap into territory you will find unreasonable. You’ve now delved into the territory of Edit_Mommies. Maybe he will help you out. Please give him some candy afterwards, so he doesn’t reign hell fire down upon us all.

“Your attempt to parrot the lame stream media’s attempt to portray him as some kind of monster is silly, ineffective and telling.”
Wasn’t parroting anything or portraying him as anything; I explained his argument and tactics – he has a reason to his way (which I described) that the media does not explain. If anything explaining this paints Ahmadinejad as a more rational actor.

“Do I literally believe this stuff?1.) To repeat myself, yes”
Ahmadinejad doesn’t

“But personally, I like Mahmoud. He is a teacher, like me.”
He was Pasdaran long before he was a teacher.

“By the times the trains started rolling, only the dirt poor and the physically and mentally unfit jewish folk were left in the ghettos. It’s called culling the heard.”
With such eugenics in mind; would you agree that Rachel Corrie standing in front of an IDF bull dozer and getting plowed strengthens the gene pool?

“Before any of you(i’m lookin’ at you KF)start throwing arounf the anti-semite mud”
Don’t care much for the term, it is used ad-nauseam and employing it is a cliché. I will however note your lingering persecution complex and witch hunts as a fascist tendency supporting my initial comment about fascism of the anti-fascists.

“Be the Peace You Want To See”
Today I didn’t even have to use my A.K., I got to say it was a good day. – “It Was A Good Day”, by Ice Cube

Before any of you(i’m lookin’ at you KF)start throwing arounf the anti-semite mud………….my hero is Robert Zimmerman

Be the Peace You Want To See

But personally, I like Mahmoud. He is a teacher, like me. He seems to be a genuinely good person. Honest, funny, and very smart. His land of Persia is one of the proudest, oldest on the planet and I respect the man a great deal reaching his position at a fairly young age. Your attempt to parrot the lame stream media’s attempt to portray him as some kind of monster is silly, ineffective and telling.

Do I literally believe this stuff?1.) To repeat myself, yes

2.)Who else’s expense(why not take a slice of the Rhineland)

3.) Not undermined, completely demolished. It is an illegal entity and should be dissolved ASAP by the UN just as the UN created it, but in reverse.

As a huge Einstein fan (he was for one world government by and for the people) I know he left Germany in 1934, because it was getting so bad for Jews by then. Others had left previously. In’35 even more left. Still more in ’36. By ’37 it was if you can possibly get out, GET THE FUCK OUT NOW! Everyone who could afford to leave was long gone by 1938. By the times the trains started rolling, only the dirt poor and the physically and mentally unfit jewish folk were left in the ghettos. It’s called culling the heard. Who left? The ones who are so coldhearted they can sacrifice thousands of their brethren for the opportunity to steal another’s land. Hello Ariel Sharon, Bibi, Skeletor’s Mom, Rahmbo’s dad,
just following protocol. And as is often the result from too much inbreeding, insanity ensues.

I have some familiarity with alternative histories of the Holocaust (more than most people at least), like the work at the conferences Ahmadinejad has sponsored. Ahmadinejad and his scholars, if they were being truthful they would not call it serious scholarly work.

Their line of thinking goes:
1.) the holocaust is the reason that allowed for the creation of Israel;
2.) the creation of Israel and its subsequent occupation of Jerusalem is at the expense of Muslims who were not responsible for the holocaust;
3.) therefore by revising or denying the holocaust, the argument for Israel’s occupation of Jerusalem can be undermined

Call it tactical holocaust denial or revisionism if you will. They are not being literal. I don’t agree with it, but I get it.

So my question for you is do you literally believe this stuff?

We can step back from the brink. We do not have to devolve into childish name calling. We can recognize where we agree and calmly analyze the exact point(and why) we begin to disagree. Nicely done.

We must be careful using the “mirror-image of your enemy” canard. When a person of the jewish faith describes someone as a Nazi, their point is to paint said person as the most vile creature imaginable. But clearly the state of Israel would never have been carved out of Palestinian land in 1948 if the Nazi’s hadn’t did what they did. Were some wealthy Jewish interests complicit in financing Hitler’s rise? My studies indicate a strong possibilty. Why would they do such a thing? Is the infamous 6 million figure way overblown? Many serious scholars concur. Am I saying the holocaust did not happen? No. Am I saying it was all planned to sucker/shame the rest of the world into going along with rabid Zionism. Yes, I am. From evil origins nothing good can come.

“If it is stupid to protest the wanton destruction of poor olive farmers modest dwellings that have been in the family for countless generations, we as a species need much, much more such stupidity.”
Protesting is one thing, playing chicken with an IDF bulldozer is another. Don’t worry, our species has no shortage in stupidity.

I’m not baiting at all. I’m coming straight out and saying the Mossad/Likud/Marc Grossman sect are a cancer that needs to be eradicated.
If it is stupid to protest the wanton destruction of poor olive farmers modest dwellings that have been in the family for countless generations, we as a species need much, much more such stupidity.
Who cares if you are slime or work for slime.
REMEMBER RACHEL! REMEMBER THE LIBERTY! REMEMBER THE 5 DANCING ISRAELIS!

“…someone who cheered when Rachel Corrie was crushed to death by a bull dozer.”
Whatever sympathy I may have for Rachel Corrie is lost on the stupidity of her actions.

But seriously dude, are you not even aware of the fascist overtones to your Jew-baiting here?

But, here we are. Kingfisher, you sound like someone who cheered when Rachel Corrie was crushed to death by a bull dozer. And like someone who might have been among the 5 guys dancing w/joy while filming the twin towers being blown to hell. You know, the Urban Moving van. The one the police pulled over and found traces of explosives. Or do you just coincidentally live near “terrorists” and sell artwork? Again, Sibel, please forgive my breif foray into the mud.

“Or do you work for the occupiers? Evil cannot own all the media, call itself good and thereby become good. Sorry.”
You sound just like a fascist.

Kingfisher do you agree Congress is “occupied Territory”?

Or do you work for the occupiers? Evil cannot own all the media, call itself good and thereby become good. Sorry.

And there we have it, the percolating fascism of the anti-fascists.

What Islamist country has ANYTHING remotely similar to these things.

How many Islamist countries have been caught bribing many in Congress?

Spying on us with high level inside contacts. How many Islamist Larry Franklins are there? Marc Grossmans? Dougie Feiths? AIPACS? I don’t recall nominees from both major parties crawling to kiss the ring of any Islamist PAC.

How many of our battleships have Islamist countries EVER destroyed, espc. when they were called an ally?]

Fascism is just a word. The average American citizen has nothing to fear from any Muslim person on this globe, nor any Islamist nation. But we are infested with a vermin that threatens everything we hold dear. If it is not exterminated from our house soon, it will surely crumble.

@Camusrebel:And I remember you; good to have you back. Good point. I don’t have either antenna or cable, so I’ve been blessed (and saved) with not having to watch those clowns misreporting.

@Bill: ‘Life is short & sweet’: I hear you, Bill. While I was standing in line at DMV (don’t even get me started with that, and having to live in such a congested area…soon, very soon, I’ll be happily parting with this sin city…), I was entering notes (to do items) into my organizer, and feeing the pain of eliminating great items just due to having so little time, and so many great things I want to do.

By the way, after standing in line for a while I gave up and left (had to be back for my daughter’s lunch time). Meaning: I’m going there again today…I’ll leave it to you the guessing of the state of my mood…;-)

For several hours, all the cable channels were talking about multiple shooters. 2 were in custody. One dead. If you are reporting that 2 mass murderers are in custody it is because high level military told you that 2 mass murderers were in custody. As pathetic as our press is, they would not make up rumors or pass along heresay.

Where did they go? Why has ALL MENTION of the other shooters been scrubbed from every “news” website???

How does one shooter kill 13, wound 30 some, with 2 pistols. He would have had to stop and reload at least ten times. Surrounded by the world’s best trained killers. Come on. Nobody had a cell phone camera? No security video? No eyewitnesses can be interviewed.

A usually reliable source tells me it was several soldiers pissed off at being sent back for a 4th or 5th tour. They were sick of killing innocent women and children and finally decided they had enough. They would kill no more innocents. But they would take some guilty down with them. Hasan is no kind of fascist. He is a Patsy, just like those 19 guys with the magical box cutters.

http://www.archive.org/details/AlbertEinsteinLetterToTheNewYorkTimes.December41948

I grew up in a Christian Zionist family here in the US. Once I mentioned to my dad a case where it seemed to me Israel could have exercised more caution in it use of deadly force in some incident and I asked if he didn’t think they had been wrong. His reply was, “The Israelis can kill as many Palestinians as they want. God gave that land to them and if the Palestinians refuse to give it up for the Jews then they are defying God.” As a child support of Israel, though not a major part of my religious up-bringing, was presented to me as a religious duty. For an example of one way Zionism has influenced Christian beliefs read this article. But, be aware that Zionist beliefs in Christianity go back probably to at least the 1500′s, gaining a lot of ground in 1800′s. This is one of the main sources of the ridiculous ‘unbreakable bonds’ between the US and its parasite nation. That’s what makes this probably the thorniest issue in the world because this is where the three main religions meet and compete, this goes to the heart of Judaism and Christianity both in terms of their eschatological beliefs and Islam is drawn in too because of Jerusalem and because most Palestinians are Muslim. If you see this in the context of the drive to convert Afghanis that was exposed in the military not too long ago, Eric Prince’s desire to go kill Muslims, the Family, and lot’s of other similar things it’s really scary. And then there’s the fact that there are actually some Christians these days who see it as their duty to try to bring about the apocalypse, which they believe will happen when Muslim nations attack Israel.

Did anyone else notice that our own Lieberman (infinitely more insidious than the Israeli Lieberman) was one of the first to call the Fort Hood incident ‘terrorism’. He couldn’t wait to raise the specter of the evil Muslims. But there have been other soldiers who shot their compatriots, what makes this incident a terrorist incident? Ridiculous.

What is interesting is that the older Chaldean Christian women in Ainkawa (now a suburb) of Hewler (Irbil) also wear head scarves. They are tied up differently, but it’s virtually the same thing and maybe the same idea is behind their use of the scarf. And there are Armenian women in South Kurdistan who wear their head scarves like the Chaldean women do.

Istanbul, yeah, it’s thick these days with those AKP-style turbanlar tied tight around the neck, and they wear what look like over-sized raincoats to complete the ensemble.

So stylish.

@Mizgin: You get to see similar ones (I am told it keeps increasing)even in Istanbul. Do you think it is correlated to ‘imposed secularism,’ as an act of defiance? It started in Istanbul when I was in high school (Imam Hatip okullari)and mushroomed from there…

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/apr/24/usa.comment

What I see is a triangular effort to pick the mote from the other’s eye while being blind to the beam in our own. Each of these movements, in Iran, in Israel and the USA are fascist movements. All seek to make the “official enemy” less than human to justify the murder in their own hearts. All are propagated and controlled by a secret elite who both fan the flames of intolerance while profiting from the conflict they create. All use the perceived injustice of a minority to inflict a greater injustice against the majority.

Our further duty is to confront Fascism in ALL it’s forms. We do that by reminding people that our shared experiences and personal goals are greater than the experiences that divide us. So it is of equally paramount importance to me to assist and support true liberty and freedom wherever I find it. I always remember Ghandi’s work to remind us all of our shared experience and confront tyranny everywhere.

So here’s an appropriate Bruce Cockburn tune to buttress my argument. Justice:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsGZ_cpTDBA

“What’s been done in the name of Jesus?
What’s been done in the name of Buddha?
What’s been done in the name of Islam?
What’s been done in the name of man?
What’s been done in the name of liberation?
And in the name of civilization?
And in the name of race?
And in the name of peace?

Everybody
Loves to see
Justice done
On somebody else

Can you tell me how much bleeding
It takes to fill a word with meaning?
And how much, how much death
It takes to give a slogan breath?
And how much, how much, how much flame
Gives light to a name
For the hollow darkness
In which nations dress?

Everybody
Loves to see
Justice done
On somebody else

Everybody’s seen the things they’ve seen
We all have to live with what we’ve been
When they say charity begins at home
They’re not just talking about a toilet and a telephone
Got to search the silence of the soul’s wild places
For a voice that can cross the spaces
These definitions that we love create –
These names for heaven, hero, tribe and state

Everybody
Loves to see
Justice done
On somebody else”

“Jefferson thought any state could only derive conditional loyalty from its subjects, if it served them faithfully. Lieberman inverts this. The state should not serve the people. The state is inherently legitimate, and if the people disagree, they are disloyal, and should be punished for it.”

Seriously, did this guy read the Turkish constitution, the one written by pashas in the same year you were being harassed by pasdars in Tehran?

Somewhat related: Last year a bunch of us went down to Cizre to see the sights and eat lahmacun. One of my sisters-in-law was shocked by the number of black abayas we saw on many of the women there. In fact, it was a lot more than what I saw there the last time I passed through town in 2005. Later in last year’s trip, another bunch of us went to Van, which was filled with Iranians, none of whom wore anything close to an abaya or even so much as a hijab. We spoke with some of them as they spoke no Turkish but did speak English and it seems that most of them were visiting from Tehran.

Woozle, as for “Christofacism”, I prefer to call such types “Christian jihadis”. It just seems to fit, especially after reading some of the stuff Jeff Sharlett and Mikey Weinstein have written. You could probably adopt the term “Zionist jihadis” and it might work as well as “Zionofascism”.

It’s always the screaming heads format. A producer may tell a guest, even if you agree with the other person, scream back at him! The audience loves that!

What does the Israeli “spokesman” do every single time. Almost always it’s either someone from the Foreign Ministry. Or some right-wing professor or “Middle East Expert” speaking in Foreign Ministry talking points.

There’s no rational discussion about facts. At times it sinks down to little kids arguing. Even some shows like Democracy Now are resorting to this.

A question. Overall, what does this accomplish? If you’re the Israeli spokesperson and you really want your point of view to be heard, what good do talking points do? None whatsover. Having an attitude of everyone-else-is-our-enemy does nothing.

But obviously they could care less. AIPAC has incredible power and flexes it every chance they get. No American politician in their right mind would dare to criticize Israel. Also, the Isareli media machine is always betting on many Americans ignorance of the area and the parties involved to manipulate them.

Yes, you could say that everybody does it. So shut up and get over it. But that’s not the point.

One time, I’m curious to see what would happen if there was an actual factual debate about this. Then again, outside of this site, not much chance of that.

That page is open for editing, and I welcome suggestions for additional comments (please post on the “discussion” page if you’re not sure what is appropriate). I do state on that page that “Islamofascism” may (or may not) be essentially synonymous with “Islamic fundamentalism”; I also welcome any comments on that thought.

Please note that I have seen other hyphenated -fascisms; the only one which comes to mind right now is “Christofascism” (“…a form of religious extremism in which Christian beliefs are misrepresented as being supportive of an ideology which is essentially fascistic or at least intensely authoritarian”), but there are probably others. (“Zionofascism” certainly seems like a strong contender.)

It makes sense to me that Hitlerian Fascism is usually referred to as just “Fascism”, no qualifier, because to most people it is the original example — the defining prototype.

All that said… your point about “Islamofascism” being a propaganda label, guilt-by-word-association, is well-taken, and I probably need to make note of this fact on that page. (You certainly won’t see “Christofascism” in the mainstream media.) Guilt-by-word-association is a common fear-mongering tactic, especially on the Right (“tax-and-spend liberal”, “welfare queen”, “homosexual agenda”, etc.) and at some point I need to create a page about that phenomenon as well.

(P.S. My apologies if the HTML I used doesn’t work; I can’t remember if this system allows it or not, and there’s no “preview” button.)