But let’s say there was another group who saw that the result of such an attack could benefit THEIR interests. In fact the concept of global terrorism could be “good for business”, especially if you were no in harm’s way in that war. From this perspective OBL and his band could be exploited and helped along, even doing the on the ground stuff since martyrdom is believed to be holy for moslems. Very convenient.

This cooperation scenario works for several “special interests” such as:

MIC
media industrial complex
financial industrial which funds and profits from militarism
intel community – more stuff to spook over
politicians mostly on the right who advocate defense etc.
Israel/Zionists as the US became engaged and took up the fight against her enemies (note that Iran, Iraq, Syria etc are not US enemies or threats to the US, but they are to Israel

And it could conceivable be part of some hidden groups agenda for world domination… one step in the New World Order, the Illunminati… if such a group exists AND can reach down into the places required to make such events unfold. That would mean that they can pull strings in the intel community, the media, the MIC and so forth. This would suggest that if such a group exists they would have to have executive authority in the power pillars and institutions of our society – generals, heads of state, perhaps, high level operatives in the intel community, and banking and industry.

Could such a group exist and have an agenda? Could they have actual policy initiatives? Could they use existing government and business institutions to execute their scheme?

The 911 suggests that the 19 Hijackers is at best the tip of the iceberg, perhaps even patsies, and the real conspiracy is much more sinister as hinted above. That is harder to conceive, harder to sell, and harder to uncover. And this is largely why people won’t go there. It’s a huge leap.

But it is possible that 911 wasn’t a LIHOP and all sorts of special interest groups woke up the next morning and said… WOW we can capitalize on this! How sad, but how fortunate this is – let’s milk it for all it’s worth. We got caught but now we can take the gloves off.

Since it looks like it was more than the 19 hijackers and I am personally convinced of that, I can’t rule out how extensive and how sinister the conspiracy was/is. I simply cannot tell.

The evidence that needs to be looked at is how explosives were placed in those buildings, for they were exploded. Who arranged it and who planned it. If it did involve nano thermites and hi tech explosives, where did they come from? Could secrets have been stolen from gov labs? Or could explosives be stolen from gov arsenals? By whom? How?

The nano thermite evidence is very disturbing if what the chemists are saying about this material is accurate. That needs to be very closely scrutinized.

We simply don’t know what happened on 911 except that we were lied to about it. We do know what happened after and as a result of 911. And that’s what makes it important to understand 911.

“God said to Abraham, ‘Kill Me a son”
Abe said, ‘Man, you must be puttin’ me on”

Of course the Fed is a large part of our problem and is inherently intertwined w/the Zionist scourge. As our economy tanks further the move by Paul, Kucinich etc. to audit will come to pass…..leadind to its eradication. peace

camusrebel, I like you I really do but you have to understand reality.

It teaches in the Torah and Talmud that Jews can do no wrong, therefore they are above all of us and can not do supreme evil.

Jewish law states this.

Jewish people along with their Christain sock puppets did the 9-11 attacks on behalf of Israel.

Nobody dare prosecute someone Jewish for a war crime, they are chosen and above man according to their very bible!

To do such a thing, means being smitten down by G-d according to their very bible the Talmud. So people are very afraid of holding the Israeli war criminals accountable, afraid of what power they command, as modern day Israelis are like the anti-christ Ishmael spoke of.

In another scripture, we learned that Nephi saw what Lamen and Lemuel were doing and he rebuked them – and they repented for a time, but Lamen and Lemuel became possessed of Satan and furious with their creator – thus they came up with the idea to kill all the Nephites and other Jews who were not as pure as they.

They were supremely vile war criminals, both there and in the book of Joshua in the Bible. But they got no judgment except from God.

There are EVIL Jews, mark my words meaning those who say they are Jews but are of the synagogue of satan. They include christains among their brethren. These vicious criminals are Zionists, and they are above our laws.

That is why Bush Senior bows like a child to Baphomet who is another of ancient Babylonian Judaism’s most strange gods. They worship it, they are above man because only blue blood level Jews are actual men.

The rest are animals according to the Talmud. Maybe of course, this is the crop that is just purely evil as most Jews despise this depravity.

You say you want a revolutionnnnnnnnnnnnn well-el ya know,

Better free yer mind instead

When I mentioned nationalizing oil, banks, etc. I meant to include the network television stations. The task ahead of us is enormous. Completely destroying and creating new paradigms is yeoman’s work. No idiots need apply. So, we must use the people’s airwaves for EDUCATION ONLY. You want mindless drivel, buy cable. Our airwaves will no longer be given over to corporations so they can churn out brainwashed shoppers. Explain what an Article V convention is. Every night, all 4 networks, how to be a functioning citizen in a Democracy. Maybe the trials and hangings of the old gaurd Repubs and Dems. Of course elections will be over entire weekends, no computewrs any where near a polling place. Get over thinking it is impossible. It is not. Human beings continue to evolve. We can make this small rock hurtling through space a paradise for every living thing. Your great, great, great, great, great, great, great grandchildren are begging you…..grab this last chance, please…

9/11 TRUTH

Happy hunting…or fishing. Weren’t you ever curious why soooo many decent agents trying to do their jobs were thwarted, told to cease and desist when they got too close to busting “terrorists”. No? Too busy selling artwork? Gotta go teach the future, peace.

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/okc_coverup.htm

However, what you all need to realize and get others to realize is….

We have had one OKC after another since the beginning, all emanating from the decadent and evil Federal Reserve which controls every person through total secrecy.

They do it right through our currency, it’s been low brow and vile…and it’s been in front of every one of you since day one.

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/reserve.htm

Listen, those who have just started waking up and listen loud and clear…

There is NEVER any 9-11 investigation, it will never be allowed nor will Israel be allowed to go to trial with the traitors who did it…including the christain zionists, because the central bankers will never allow anything to be greenlighted. Ever. (Emphasis added)

There will NEVER be any justice for the Oklahoma City Bombing. The past is the past, and everyone has to give it up and see where it all began.

There will NEVER be war crimes prosecutions for these traitors, since they are above all laws and even if we forced them to trial another gaggle even worse would rise in their place…

All of this is fact, and not theoretical. There is one silver lining, though. This has been going on for centuries since “Central Bank Inc.” was created.

If we can get the message to be completely mainstream, so that the POPULOUS concentrates on the Federal Reserve…..we can expose the whole rotten system. When the system is dragged out in the sunlight, every other cover-up will fall like dominoes. Even if we never put them on war crimes charges, we can put their political “massage therapists” in the Senate, Presidency, and Treasury on trial for War Crimes instead!

Without a Federal Reserve government of tyranny, currency & by extension man could not any longer be controlled. Thus we could have freedom….if the banking system is dismantled. Emphasis added.

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/okc_coverup.htm

However, what you all need to realize and get others to realize is….

We have had one OKC after another since the beginning, all emanating from the decadent and evil Federal Reserve which controls every person through total secrecy.

They do it right through our currency, it’s been low brow and vile…and it’s been in front of every one of you since day one.
http://www.endthefed.us

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/reserve.htm

Listen, those who have just started waking up and listen loud and clear…

There is NEVER any 9-11 investigation, it will never be allowed nor will Israel be allowed to go to trial with the traitors who did it…including the christain zionists, because the central bankers will never allow anything to be greenlighted. Ever. (Emphasis added)

There will NEVER be any justice for the Oklahoma City Bombing. The past is the past, and everyone has to give it up and see where it all began.

There will NEVER be war crimes prosecutions for these traitors, since they are above all laws and even if we forced them to trial another gaggle even worse would rise in their place…

All of this is fact, and not theoretical. There is one silver lining, though. This has been going on for centuries since “Central Bank Inc.” was created.

If we can get the message to be completely mainstream, so that the POPULOUS concentrates on the Federal Reserve…..we can expose the whole rotten system. When the system is dragged out in the sunlight, every other cover-up will fall like dominoes. Even if we never put them on war crimes charges, we can put their political “massage therapists” in the Senate, Presidency, and Treasury on trial for War Crimes instead!

Without a Federal Reserve government of tyranny, currency & by extension man could not any longer be controlled. Thus we could have freedom….if the banking system is dismantled. Emphasis added.

No more secrecy. No more Republocrats. Prison for all the guilty and the gallows for the leaders. A new beginning. An Article V convention. We “alter or abolish” this crap. It is not rocket science. There is no other way. The real perps are betting we are too afraid to face the dragon they have let loose. I say we slay it. Sorry Sibel, I know you get tired of hearing it, but nothing else will make a damn bit of difference. 9/11 truth is the answer. Do we have the courage? Can we imagine a world where corporations are subservient to the common person or non-existent? Where the CIA is an open book or non-existent? Where propaganda is a historic relic? Where capitalism itself is no longer god like? Yes. We can and we must.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/british-columbia/amy-goodmans-border-woes-has-us-in-a-tizzy/article1386450/

Your account(s) are seized. Your companies can’t tell anyone what’s happening. You have no idea why your accounts have been blocked. How long will they be blocked? Meanwhile (in this global economic meltdown), if some emergenchy happens, you have no way to make a redemption.

When these letters started, I called some mutual fund companies to see if they knew about any of this. The responses ranged from no to who the hell’s got time to deal with THAT? And I thought, this could potentially affect many of your major clients. How could you possibly not take the time to do this? If your largest client had their account(s) seized, you’d do something about it. Lately though I’ve been running into this reaction re: NSL’s, TSA regulations and other areas.

Since this would be intolerable in a society which claims to be a nation of laws, rather than allow the illegality to be public it is shrouded in secrecy.

9/11 was a pivot point where secrecy was ramped up with the excuse that it was in our national and personal security interests for the government to back away from rights and operate with more secrecy.

The event itself is clouded by secrecy but there is ample evidence that it was a false flag operation with at the very minimum government cover up. The worst case scenario is the event was state terrorism by elements within our own DOD, MIC and intel services. And sadly, the more one examines the event, the more it appears to involve complicity of the FBI and CIA including all sorts of disinformation.

We must remove the secrecy which is hiding what happened on that day from the American public. That secrecy is protecting the real planners and perpetrators of that event.

Just think… Since we are constantly being lied to, about virtually every policy initiative of our government, ESPECIALLY as it relates to national security, wars and so forth… why would 9/11 be different?

Why would the 9/11 story be accurate and honest? How much of it can we trust as being accurate? How much of the evidence is made up from whole cloth? How much of the news reported was disinformation and propaganda or planted news items? Once an idea becomes a hot item it is spread virally by the vast echo chamber of the MSM which pounds the public over and over again until they simply do not even think to question the “news item”.

9/11 was a staged attack and a managed media event to provide cover for the criminals who did it. it was the shock doctrine and it was so numbing that most of the population can not even think rationally about what they were told and it’s become a “belief” not a truth based on fact.

We have lost control of our nation, our government, which is supposed to represent the people. It does not. All major policies are orchestrated without the knowledge, participation or consent of the governered. And at best our representatives are self serving sell outs who are complicit in the staging of the illusion of democracy.

There is no need for so much secrecy in an open democratic accountable society. The conclusion is that we have a controlled anti democratic, corporatocracy which uses the MIC for its purpose of wealth creation and power for a small elite.

We are a fascist society masquerading as a democracy – hence the secrecy.

“In questions of power, let us hear no more of trust in men, but rather bind them down from mischief with the chains of the Constitution”
- Thomas Jefferson

Oh no, reality is quite the opposite from that.

SECRECY has been the code word for Government ever since 1913, and in fact, ever since 1680 when they started the creation of a Fiat Currency system.

Back then, the first Federal Reserve was so corrupt the people literally overthrew it and abolished the Judiciary for quite some time. Later, Andrew Jackson stepped in so enraged at their vile dealings he dismantled the country’s central bank.

Problem was and still is, another “Fiat Currency” system arose in its place only more decrepit and corrupt than ever this time.
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/reserve.htm

Indeed, Thomas Jefferson would be rolling in his grave at the mess we have made of this once decent country.

There is only one reason to conclude that the Federal Reserve, and by extension all its interalia agencies like the FBI, NSA etc. desires total secrecy: What they are engaged in is TREASON by fiat, the destruction and intentional devaluation of the nation’s currency.

Now although all these alphabet soup agencies were set up by the Federal Reserve, in practice the Federal Reserve is a private “cartel” not part of the US Government. It’s not even as Federal as “Federal Express” if you want the honest truth.

Through the ages it has consistently grown hideously corrupt, by secrecy and greed, and seeking to exert more control over world affairs than it should ever be allowed.
http://www.helium.com/items/1282000-the-us-federal-reserve-and-money-supply-as-one-of-the-main-causes-of-the-great

Finally, the excuse for all of this purely fascist behavior is “Federal Reserve Inc.” has to main liquidty of its assets. If the people all knew the banks the Fed owns are engaged in massive drug running like the British inquest suggests, the populous would react with outrageous anger.

In order to “stabilize” the economy, the Fed’s mafia engages in black book operations and launders large amounts of illegal heroine, opium, and crystal meth through the organized criminal world that includes politicians and bureaucrats.

This in a nutshell, allows them to pay off their slaves with “funny money” that does not actually hold any worth – thus with counterfeit currency they can continue to expand conquest for Israel, bomb Bosnia, re-arm the revolutionaries of Russia, buy billions of dollars worth of toys for Boeing, and build million dollar estates for a job well done!

Of essentially managing the world’s currency through outright fraud, while the people go on living normal lives suspecting that all the Federal Reserve does is monitor the economy.

So in essence, a criminal syndicate will produce a criminal government. When Congress relinquished nearly all power to the Central Bank Industry Inc., THEY relinquished our freedom and sovereignty for good.

These traitors were not who we have here today, but thin skinned opportunists FAR worse in character, whom willingly went along with what is clearly a very large scam.

All the little peons from Bush, to Clinton to Sinclair came roaring out of the same corrupt fabric that the Federal Reserve operates under. We would never have seen these people, if the Fed did not usher them in.

Therefore to understand the security of the free state, and why it is absolutely mandatory the FBI etc. forget this large hoax and arrest all the perpetrators of this theft you have to look back no further than the first revolutionary war.

The “Prison Industrial Complex INC.” wants to lock up patriots and people to keep its fat checkbook running full steam, so why don’t they start by doing our will and locking up all the “patriotic” bankers & political slaves that put us into this mess in the first place.

Those guys would fill all their prisons for twenty years to come, and we would never have to fight any further massive drug scandals either putting a lot of honest law enforcement back to work again & putting the crooks behind bars. After all, they can not beat the populous. Might as well wake up and join them!

The filling clinking doors that shut like an orchestra, would make any warden or FBI agent light up with glee as all the global bankers who attempt to enslave mankind are put into PRISON right where they always belonged.

I want to know whether or not you have asked Mr. Nader to appear here. If you have not, I will take that as a sign that my efforts are probably best directed elsewhere.

Please let me know.

Thanks!

A few multifaceted, many-tentacled issues here, and not just your own case. But as a simple generalization, the People’s right to know trumps the state ‘secret privilege.’

In theory, the law serves as a check on tyranny. But in the case of the SSP and related issues, we’ve had a cruel test to the theory. The law itself has become a tool of tyranny, at least so far. That doesn’t have to last. Nor will it.

Good points. Yet I disgaree re: trying to revoke station licenses.

The FCC is made up of a chairman and three other commissioners. Even though the Democrats control it, they maintain the previous Chairman’s policies:

De-regulation (thanks to Clinton)
The power of a few megamedia corporations controlling what we see, read and hear.

If you did try to contest their license, it really comes down to who has more time, money, and better attorneys. Despite ad revenues being done and massive cuts happening in media, these firms will still fight you.

Their mantra: if you don’t like it, turn it off. Stop reading it. Yet, how many people who complain about what the MSM puts out are willing to do that? In my experience, very few.

They’re using that apathy as a weapon against the public. If you did complain about something, many times the FCC response is, it’s “free speech.” (It’s not worth wasting our time on).

Instead of putting your effort into that, beat them at their own game. Use other avenues (ex. this site) to get the message out that they won’t touch.

I thought this article, published over the weekend on Alternet, to be relevant to the discussion:

http://www.alternet.org/story/144529/are_americans_a_broken_people_why_we%27ve_stopped_fighting_back_against_the_forces_of_oppression

If you look at the efforts over the last 30 years since the passage of California’s Proposition 13 to, effectively, gut the public education system in this country, you can see a corollary to the growth of both government secrecy and public apathy. Real Republican Democracy REQUIRES a FREE AND INFORMED citizenry. Thanks to the increase in public ignorance, with assistance from our Kabuki Main Stream Media, the vast majority of Americans are neither these days. So the question then becomes,

How do we rectify these shortcomings?

One way is by doing what we do here. Spotlight the orphan news stories not being covered and attempt to disseminate them to a wider audience/readership. I was thinking one way me might accomplish this, besides our regular briefs, would be to have each of our contributors take a couple of these stories and spotlight them:

http://www.projectcensored.org/top-stories/category/y-2009/

Another way might be to start appearing at FCC Licensure hearings for local TV Affiliates and attempt to have their FCC Broadcast licenses revoked for not “serving the Public Interest”, something required by the FCC to hold those broadcast licenses.

From last I heard, Celio Castillo (mentioned directly by Sandalio Gonzalez in podcast #4) is having MAJOR problems with the Federal Gvt continually trying to destroy his life. Yet another whistleblower graciously thanked for his patriotism.

More in this line: Aside from the obvious synthesis of the revelations you’ve offered regarding surveillance of GVT employees by State Dept/CIA/NSA higher-ups in order to either corrupt them or take them out of commission, I wonder if you have a theory on the Jane Harmon angle. It seems to me, in a hall of mirrors kind of way, that the NY Times Risen and Lichtblau were, whether they knew it or not, running interference for a much more explosive release of the Surveillance State information, and that their sources must have known this – so why, after keeping the Klein-SF Office story down for so long, did the NSA feel it necessary to have Harmon try to call the NY Times and keep the story out of the paper?

I know it would be speculation, but is this just another example of further corrupting someone with ‘leaks’ to completely legitimize the NY Times and the ‘importance’ of the initial revelations? To further let the Israelis know they’re ‘OUR’ client state, etc?

Once again, excellent and well-reasoned work. Thanks.