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		<title>By: 344thBrother</title>
		<link>http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2010/01/06/shooting-handcuffed-children/comment-page-1/#comment-4266</link>
		<dc:creator>344thBrother</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2010 01:38:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please pardon the cross post from The &quot;Makings of a Police State&quot; comments, The last post there was August 09 and this is relevant to the subject of police and military abuse of prisoners.  

“The Largest Street Gang in America – A Compilation About Police Brutality in America” 4 video clips

Please forgive me if this is a repost, I searched but didn’t find it elsewhere on the site. These videos are attributed to “Boiling Frogs 101″.  

Regardless it definitely bears reposting. NOT for the faint of heart or easily infuriated with dangerously high blood pressure. NOT for children.  NOT fun.

Here’s a page with all 4 videos. It’s not easy to watch them all.

http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=The%20Largest%20Street%20Gang%20in%20America%20-%20A%20Compilation%20About%20Police%20Brutality%20in%20America%20%20frogs&amp;oe=utf-8&amp;rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&amp;client=firefox-a&amp;um=1&amp;ie=UTF-8&amp;sa=N&amp;hl=en&amp;tab=wv#

God Help Us
peace
Dave Short</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please pardon the cross post from The &#8220;Makings of a Police State&#8221; comments, The last post there was August 09 and this is relevant to the subject of police and military abuse of prisoners.  </p>
<p>“The Largest Street Gang in America – A Compilation About Police Brutality in America” 4 video clips</p>
<p>Please forgive me if this is a repost, I searched but didn’t find it elsewhere on the site. These videos are attributed to “Boiling Frogs 101″.  </p>
<p>Regardless it definitely bears reposting. NOT for the faint of heart or easily infuriated with dangerously high blood pressure. NOT for children.  NOT fun.</p>
<p>Here’s a page with all 4 videos. It’s not easy to watch them all.</p>
<p><a href="http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=The%20Largest%20Street%20Gang%20in%20America%20-%20A%20Compilation%20About%20Police%20Brutality%20in%20America%20%20frogs&#038;oe=utf-8&#038;rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&#038;client=firefox-a&#038;um=1&#038;ie=UTF-8&#038;sa=N&#038;hl=en&#038;tab=wv#" rel="nofollow">http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=The%20Largest%20Street%20Gang%20in%20America%20-%20A%20Compilation%20About%20Police%20Brutality%20in%20America%20%20frogs&#038;oe=utf-8&#038;rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&#038;client=firefox-a&#038;um=1&#038;ie=UTF-8&#038;sa=N&#038;hl=en&#038;tab=wv#</a></p>
<p>God Help Us<br />
peace<br />
Dave Short</p>
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		<title>By: remo</title>
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		<dc:creator>remo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jan 2010 23:12:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what? do you think the boys DON&#039;T dress in drag and fly a few false flags sometimes kf? next you&#039;ll be telling me the buildings fell because of office furnishings fire.
I&#039;ll apologize any time a properly constituted investigation proves the case. How likely do you think thats to be?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what? do you think the boys DON&#8217;T dress in drag and fly a few false flags sometimes kf? next you&#8217;ll be telling me the buildings fell because of office furnishings fire.<br />
I&#8217;ll apologize any time a properly constituted investigation proves the case. How likely do you think thats to be?</p>
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		<title>By: thymesup</title>
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		<dc:creator>thymesup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 18:09:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i, for one, in no way feel &quot;dumbed down by mr. bacon&#039;s irrationality&quot; as kingfisher so insultingly (to mr. bacon) assumes i must.  as kf says, we must not rush to judgment. 

of course, we must acknowledge the existence of so-called &quot;blackflag operations&quot; that arouse the public, helping to &quot;manufacture consent&quot; in chomsky&#039;s words, to all manner of barbarism, from racial profiling to &quot;collateral damage&quot;. &quot;normalize the unthinkable&quot;, as pilger says. explain how our nobel winning president is really waging peace, not war.  

Or, remember lecarre&#039;s believable portrayal of unwitting suicide agent in  &quot;the little drummer girl&quot;,  for just one  &quot;fictional&quot; scenario not far off the mark from mr. bacon&#039;s.

the front page of nyt, 1/1/10, headlines &quot;the cia&#039;s expanded role on front lines&quot;, and refers to &quot;the administration&#039;s acceleration of the cia&#039;s drone campaign&quot; against &quot;militants in Pakistan&quot;, and explains how &quot;cia personnel regularly take foreign agents onto the base before sending them on intelligence collection missions in eastern Afghanistan and across the border into pakistan&quot;.  (since when did cia acquire its own air force?) it all compounds the illegality simultaneously with the wickedness.

the point? we don&#039;t know, exactly how it happened, but i like john pilger&#039;s use of quote:&quot;never believe anything until it&#039;s been officially denied.&quot; double agents? sure, why not? would we be brave enough for that, witnessing drone attacks on civilians and occupation in our own country?

kf: try to keep a civil discourse. 

and yes, mr laffrey. we wring our hands and plan what recourse?   the crucial civic education of sharing blacklisted info and whistleblower experiences here is the best strategy yet. how about the following ideas:

1. continue widening the knowledge of this website and sibel&#039;s name in all the unlikely places, blogs, mainstream places people go (very politely) that we can think of.  as my mom says, &quot;when the student is ready, the teacher will appear&quot;.  problem: so many DON&#039;T KNOW HOW READY THEY ARE//SHOULD BE! so we have to take that info to them, and it&#039;s NOT EASY without alienation sometimes. 

2. we support/attend cindy sheehan&#039;s planned march action on the mall in d.c.? 

3. if you have info the public NEEDS TO KNOW,  risk jail, as ellsberg says, to get it to them/us.  whoops, that reminds me!!!!! going to check if the podcast is on.

4. in other words, do not be afraid. follow courage of sibel. 

and, sibel, ma&#039;am, do you know whereabouts/well-being of indira singh (who read your letter aloud there when you could not speak)? would it be possible to have her on your show?  i just listened to the 04-05? 911 citizen commission hearings and her explosive testimony re ptech and can&#039;t find anything recent. is she ok?

as a footnote, at codepink website, i &quot;was not allowed&quot;???? to access any of the suggested-in-pink links. got only &quot;safari cannot find server&quot; repeatedly, different days!


DOES ANYONE ELSE GET THIS THERE or at other very liberal/activist sites?????? (please try and post results here or after ellsberg&#039;s interview). many thanks. 

sibel; is that the procedure for continuing conversation or do folks keep going back to relevant podcast comments and adding there?  sorry so many questions. lb</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i, for one, in no way feel &#8220;dumbed down by mr. bacon&#8217;s irrationality&#8221; as kingfisher so insultingly (to mr. bacon) assumes i must.  as kf says, we must not rush to judgment. </p>
<p>of course, we must acknowledge the existence of so-called &#8220;blackflag operations&#8221; that arouse the public, helping to &#8220;manufacture consent&#8221; in chomsky&#8217;s words, to all manner of barbarism, from racial profiling to &#8220;collateral damage&#8221;. &#8220;normalize the unthinkable&#8221;, as pilger says. explain how our nobel winning president is really waging peace, not war.  </p>
<p>Or, remember lecarre&#8217;s believable portrayal of unwitting suicide agent in  &#8220;the little drummer girl&#8221;,  for just one  &#8220;fictional&#8221; scenario not far off the mark from mr. bacon&#8217;s.</p>
<p>the front page of nyt, 1/1/10, headlines &#8220;the cia&#8217;s expanded role on front lines&#8221;, and refers to &#8220;the administration&#8217;s acceleration of the cia&#8217;s drone campaign&#8221; against &#8220;militants in Pakistan&#8221;, and explains how &#8220;cia personnel regularly take foreign agents onto the base before sending them on intelligence collection missions in eastern Afghanistan and across the border into pakistan&#8221;.  (since when did cia acquire its own air force?) it all compounds the illegality simultaneously with the wickedness.</p>
<p>the point? we don&#8217;t know, exactly how it happened, but i like john pilger&#8217;s use of quote:&#8221;never believe anything until it&#8217;s been officially denied.&#8221; double agents? sure, why not? would we be brave enough for that, witnessing drone attacks on civilians and occupation in our own country?</p>
<p>kf: try to keep a civil discourse. </p>
<p>and yes, mr laffrey. we wring our hands and plan what recourse?   the crucial civic education of sharing blacklisted info and whistleblower experiences here is the best strategy yet. how about the following ideas:</p>
<p>1. continue widening the knowledge of this website and sibel&#8217;s name in all the unlikely places, blogs, mainstream places people go (very politely) that we can think of.  as my mom says, &#8220;when the student is ready, the teacher will appear&#8221;.  problem: so many DON&#8217;T KNOW HOW READY THEY ARE//SHOULD BE! so we have to take that info to them, and it&#8217;s NOT EASY without alienation sometimes. </p>
<p>2. we support/attend cindy sheehan&#8217;s planned march action on the mall in d.c.? </p>
<p>3. if you have info the public NEEDS TO KNOW,  risk jail, as ellsberg says, to get it to them/us.  whoops, that reminds me!!!!! going to check if the podcast is on.</p>
<p>4. in other words, do not be afraid. follow courage of sibel. </p>
<p>and, sibel, ma&#8217;am, do you know whereabouts/well-being of indira singh (who read your letter aloud there when you could not speak)? would it be possible to have her on your show?  i just listened to the 04-05? 911 citizen commission hearings and her explosive testimony re ptech and can&#8217;t find anything recent. is she ok?</p>
<p>as a footnote, at codepink website, i &#8220;was not allowed&#8221;???? to access any of the suggested-in-pink links. got only &#8220;safari cannot find server&#8221; repeatedly, different days!</p>
<p>DOES ANYONE ELSE GET THIS THERE or at other very liberal/activist sites?????? (please try and post results here or after ellsberg&#8217;s interview). many thanks. </p>
<p>sibel; is that the procedure for continuing conversation or do folks keep going back to relevant podcast comments and adding there?  sorry so many questions. lb</p>
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		<title>By: T</title>
		<link>http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2010/01/06/shooting-handcuffed-children/comment-page-1/#comment-4180</link>
		<dc:creator>T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 17:19:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How surreal is this? I&#039;m watching Democracy Now online talking about Blackwater and the CIA. And guess who&#039;s on from Congress? Jan Schakowsky saying how &quot;terrible&quot; this is...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How surreal is this? I&#8217;m watching Democracy Now online talking about Blackwater and the CIA. And guess who&#8217;s on from Congress? Jan Schakowsky saying how &#8220;terrible&#8221; this is&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: JamesLaffrey</title>
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		<dc:creator>JamesLaffrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 15:44:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David Swanson admirably says:
&quot;We must stop it now [1]. We must shut down [2] the place it comes from.
Not another dime. Not another dollar. Not another death. Not another thought of revenge.&quot;

It&#039;s a call to action.

And I&#039;m sure Sibel agrees.

But what happens in the comment section? Nearly every commenter has nothing to say about supporting nor joining nor planning action. 

I think what I see on various websites that ought to be centers for organizing is actually a bunch of people who are ENTERTAINED by news about the crimes of our government. They enjoy (in a sick way) the rush of adrenaline over the latest horror, and they get a kick out of submitting an actionless comment about it. And then they move on the next horror-of-the-day, the next horror-of-the-week. 

On this website, when I say &quot;WE&quot; must force them to resign, and &quot;WE&quot; must prepare to govern, and &quot;WE&quot; must govern, I&#039;m talking about the bravest and sanest among us on this website and related to this website. I think the best core group of people to govern our country is the whistle-blower group, and we grow it from there. 

Maybe I haven&#039;t been clear before. I hope I&#039;m being clear now. 

I want to form a group of intelligent citizens (who are not politicians) who fully intend to govern. We will take actions along the way that show we are capable and worthy of governing. 

If I see some credible and like-minded comments here, I&#039;ll post my personal email address here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David Swanson admirably says:<br />
&#8220;We must stop it now [1]. We must shut down [2] the place it comes from.<br />
Not another dime. Not another dollar. Not another death. Not another thought of revenge.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a call to action.</p>
<p>And I&#8217;m sure Sibel agrees.</p>
<p>But what happens in the comment section? Nearly every commenter has nothing to say about supporting nor joining nor planning action. </p>
<p>I think what I see on various websites that ought to be centers for organizing is actually a bunch of people who are ENTERTAINED by news about the crimes of our government. They enjoy (in a sick way) the rush of adrenaline over the latest horror, and they get a kick out of submitting an actionless comment about it. And then they move on the next horror-of-the-day, the next horror-of-the-week. </p>
<p>On this website, when I say &#8220;WE&#8221; must force them to resign, and &#8220;WE&#8221; must prepare to govern, and &#8220;WE&#8221; must govern, I&#8217;m talking about the bravest and sanest among us on this website and related to this website. I think the best core group of people to govern our country is the whistle-blower group, and we grow it from there. </p>
<p>Maybe I haven&#8217;t been clear before. I hope I&#8217;m being clear now. </p>
<p>I want to form a group of intelligent citizens (who are not politicians) who fully intend to govern. We will take actions along the way that show we are capable and worthy of governing. </p>
<p>If I see some credible and like-minded comments here, I&#8217;ll post my personal email address here.</p>
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		<title>By: Kingfisher</title>
		<link>http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2010/01/06/shooting-handcuffed-children/comment-page-1/#comment-4178</link>
		<dc:creator>Kingfisher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 14:48:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;You have made a fundamental error. You think “we” are good and “they” are bad.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Geoff,
Just where exactly did I do that in any of the above posts?

Afghanistan is opaque to any sense of Western morality; and such clear cut instances of “good” and “bad” are infrequent in insurgency-counterinsurgency situations.

What I didn’t do was assume that “we” are always “bad”.  I loathe activists and progressives that do so, and neocons that do the opposite (we are always “good”).  You are thinking Coke vs. Pepsi; I am talking about R.C. Cola.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;You have made a fundamental error. You think “we” are good and “they” are bad.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Geoff,<br />
Just where exactly did I do that in any of the above posts?</p>
<p>Afghanistan is opaque to any sense of Western morality; and such clear cut instances of “good” and “bad” are infrequent in insurgency-counterinsurgency situations.</p>
<p>What I didn’t do was assume that “we” are always “bad”.  I loathe activists and progressives that do so, and neocons that do the opposite (we are always “good”).  You are thinking Coke vs. Pepsi; I am talking about R.C. Cola.</p>
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		<title>By: GeoffH</title>
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		<dc:creator>GeoffH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 06:59:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kingfisher,

You have made a fundamental error.  You think &quot;we&quot; are good and &quot;they&quot; are bad.  Get a grip on reality, dude.  We are there uninvited and killing them with wanton abandon for what?  Oil? Geopolitical power?  Force of habit?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kingfisher,</p>
<p>You have made a fundamental error.  You think &#8220;we&#8221; are good and &#8220;they&#8221; are bad.  Get a grip on reality, dude.  We are there uninvited and killing them with wanton abandon for what?  Oil? Geopolitical power?  Force of habit?</p>
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		<title>By: Kingfisher</title>
		<link>http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2010/01/06/shooting-handcuffed-children/comment-page-1/#comment-4176</link>
		<dc:creator>Kingfisher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 06:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;Myself, I think the CIA/Blackwater thugs were arming a drugged out ’suicide bomber’ with C4 when someone screwed up and accidentally detonated the explosive.
So instead of turning that doped out assassin into a crowded marketplace full of women and children, their usual MO, they got blown up instead.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Mr. Bacon, what you&#039;ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul. 

Please mash your head against the keyboard.  You are a cancer to this blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;Myself, I think the CIA/Blackwater thugs were arming a drugged out ’suicide bomber’ with C4 when someone screwed up and accidentally detonated the explosive.<br />
So instead of turning that doped out assassin into a crowded marketplace full of women and children, their usual MO, they got blown up instead.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Mr. Bacon, what you&#8217;ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul. </p>
<p>Please mash your head against the keyboard.  You are a cancer to this blog.</p>
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		<title>By: Kingfisher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kingfisher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 06:50:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see a lot of rush to conclusion regarding this alleged “massacre”, when the facts are not sufficient enough to do so.  It may indeed have happened as described, massacre’s do occur in such conflicts.  However, I doubt it is as cut and dry as it is alleged, and would recommend people not rush to any conclusions.  Should that be the case, do you think we are going to hear any apologies for these sensationalistic comments?  I doubt it.   

Just because the boys were between 12-17 and in school doesn’t mean they couldn’t be combatants in the fire-fight.  This is a warrior society, they learn how to handle weapons and fight at a young age.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see a lot of rush to conclusion regarding this alleged “massacre”, when the facts are not sufficient enough to do so.  It may indeed have happened as described, massacre’s do occur in such conflicts.  However, I doubt it is as cut and dry as it is alleged, and would recommend people not rush to any conclusions.  Should that be the case, do you think we are going to hear any apologies for these sensationalistic comments?  I doubt it.   </p>
<p>Just because the boys were between 12-17 and in school doesn’t mean they couldn’t be combatants in the fire-fight.  This is a warrior society, they learn how to handle weapons and fight at a young age.</p>
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		<title>By: Kingfisher</title>
		<link>http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2010/01/06/shooting-handcuffed-children/comment-page-1/#comment-4174</link>
		<dc:creator>Kingfisher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 06:47:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;There is a recurring character in many of the novels I have read I call “The Old Asia Hand”. This is the guy who has spent 20-30 years in country, knows the languages and all the major players. From what I’ve read, we have no corresponding characters like that in real life. Hell, we have a hard time finding people who even speak the languages.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Ish, no need to remind you that this is of course a character.  Closest thing we probably have are at DIA.  But yes CIA is in sad, if not dire state of affairs; which makes what some of the nutters here say all the more ridiculous.  It probably will not exist ten years from now.  

&lt;i&gt;&quot;As long as that’s the case, we will continue to be blind to the intentions and actions of this enemy.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Like you mentioned before of Sun Tzu’s maxim: know thy enemy.  I would say the Michael Scheuer types in gov’t do; the politicians do not, and the public for the most part does not understand this enemy.  There are reasons for this; bin Laden is incredibly plainspoken about the reasons why he does what he does, but this is lost on most – again there are reasons for this.  

Best, 
KF</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;There is a recurring character in many of the novels I have read I call “The Old Asia Hand”. This is the guy who has spent 20-30 years in country, knows the languages and all the major players. From what I’ve read, we have no corresponding characters like that in real life. Hell, we have a hard time finding people who even speak the languages.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Ish, no need to remind you that this is of course a character.  Closest thing we probably have are at DIA.  But yes CIA is in sad, if not dire state of affairs; which makes what some of the nutters here say all the more ridiculous.  It probably will not exist ten years from now.  </p>
<p><i>&#8220;As long as that’s the case, we will continue to be blind to the intentions and actions of this enemy.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Like you mentioned before of Sun Tzu’s maxim: know thy enemy.  I would say the Michael Scheuer types in gov’t do; the politicians do not, and the public for the most part does not understand this enemy.  There are reasons for this; bin Laden is incredibly plainspoken about the reasons why he does what he does, but this is lost on most – again there are reasons for this.  </p>
<p>Best,<br />
KF</p>
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		<title>By: T</title>
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		<dc:creator>T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 05:03:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Slightly off-topic. But it concerns Obama and security.

Now, it turns out that three people have slipped by the Secret Service and gotten close to Obama, Biden and others. Just like the Xmas Day Bombing; has anybody been publically sacked in either case yet? 

If no, yet again Obama wants to be Mr. Center Line.
As for the partycrashers, he actually invited the first two to the Oval Office. Even if they&#039;re not Al Quaeda and just part of the A-List-Inside-the-Beltway Crowd, at the time these people could have killed Obama. And yet you invite them into your office?

Not exactly the best way to sell your &quot;war on terrorism&quot; (IMO).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Slightly off-topic. But it concerns Obama and security.</p>
<p>Now, it turns out that three people have slipped by the Secret Service and gotten close to Obama, Biden and others. Just like the Xmas Day Bombing; has anybody been publically sacked in either case yet? </p>
<p>If no, yet again Obama wants to be Mr. Center Line.<br />
As for the partycrashers, he actually invited the first two to the Oval Office. Even if they&#8217;re not Al Quaeda and just part of the A-List-Inside-the-Beltway Crowd, at the time these people could have killed Obama. And yet you invite them into your office?</p>
<p>Not exactly the best way to sell your &#8220;war on terrorism&#8221; (IMO).</p>
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		<title>By: GeoffH</title>
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		<dc:creator>GeoffH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 04:30:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s odd how these two stories are juxtaposed.  Which event occurred first?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s odd how these two stories are juxtaposed.  Which event occurred first?</p>
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		<title>By: Ishmael</title>
		<link>http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2010/01/06/shooting-handcuffed-children/comment-page-1/#comment-4170</link>
		<dc:creator>Ishmael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 03:26:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeremy Scahill reported tonight on the Rachel Maddow show that 2 of the dead and 1 of the wounded in the attack were, in fact, Blackwater/XE employees. This after the CIA denied it was using BW/XE people. Also, the three mercenaries were present for the &quot;high-level&quot; meeting with the asset/bomber.

Jordanian intelligence denies that he was an AQ agent all along and had been giving actionable intelligence until...he realized that all those pesky civilian deaths were because of his info. This is their reasoning and they also stated they&#039;ve penetrated AQ befoe and they can do it again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeremy Scahill reported tonight on the Rachel Maddow show that 2 of the dead and 1 of the wounded in the attack were, in fact, Blackwater/XE employees. This after the CIA denied it was using BW/XE people. Also, the three mercenaries were present for the &#8220;high-level&#8221; meeting with the asset/bomber.</p>
<p>Jordanian intelligence denies that he was an AQ agent all along and had been giving actionable intelligence until&#8230;he realized that all those pesky civilian deaths were because of his info. This is their reasoning and they also stated they&#8217;ve penetrated AQ befoe and they can do it again.</p>
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		<title>By: Sibel Edmonds</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sibel Edmonds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 02:46:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This whole thing (along with others)makes me nauseated/sick. I&#039;m still waiting for more insight/info/facts...Put it in an already thick file for when next time some one naively asks &#039;why do they hate us?!&#039; Use it as a real life example when the subject is &#039;terrorism.&#039;...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This whole thing (along with others)makes me nauseated/sick. I&#8217;m still waiting for more insight/info/facts&#8230;Put it in an already thick file for when next time some one naively asks &#8216;why do they hate us?!&#8217; Use it as a real life example when the subject is &#8216;terrorism.&#8217;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: remo</title>
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		<dc:creator>remo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 02:17:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The torch of freedom burns dim this nite. 
carries its corruption a canker sore, its bare light, 
                           by which flickering shadow
                           the execution of handcuffed children  employed,
               the dog soldier of far distant lands  satisfied its thirst,
    thanked the battlescar jesus for &#039;hard won&#039;  revenge exact. 

The broken hearts of home mourn beyond comprehension these renegade acts,
filibustered pomposity,
carrion heart . Lost soul of the great western LIE. 

Well.    Now it lies still.    A flag on the moon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The torch of freedom burns dim this nite.<br />
carries its corruption a canker sore, its bare light,<br />
                           by which flickering shadow<br />
                           the execution of handcuffed children  employed,<br />
               the dog soldier of far distant lands  satisfied its thirst,<br />
    thanked the battlescar jesus for &#8216;hard won&#8217;  revenge exact. </p>
<p>The broken hearts of home mourn beyond comprehension these renegade acts,<br />
filibustered pomposity,<br />
carrion heart . Lost soul of the great western LIE. </p>
<p>Well.    Now it lies still.    A flag on the moon.</p>
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		<title>By: theepitbull</title>
		<link>http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2010/01/06/shooting-handcuffed-children/comment-page-1/#comment-4167</link>
		<dc:creator>theepitbull</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 01:42:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FYI

This just in: http://www.examiner.com/x-18425-LA-County-Nonpartisan-Examiner~y2010m1d7-Afghan-govt-demands-arrest-of-US-death-squad-who-handcuffed-executed-8-children-US-refuses

Afghan govt. demands arrest of US &quot;death squad&quot; who handcuffed, executed 8 children. US refuses

Kai Eide, UN Representative to Afghanistan confirmed the Afghan government’s investigative conclusions that US troops handcuffed and then executed eight students enrolled in grades 6 through 10 in a night raid on December 27, 2009. The US military and NATO responded the troops involved were non-official. The most likely source of para-military “non-official” troops in Afghanistan is Blackwater/Xe.

President Hamid Karzai demanded arrest of the US troops engaged in the break-in and mafia-style execution of their children. The US responded to the Afghan demand of January 1 by rejecting the findings of the Afghan government and UN with a vague promise of their own self-investigation at some later date.

(((3)))</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FYI</p>
<p>This just in: <a href="http://www.examiner.com/x-18425-LA-County-Nonpartisan-Examiner~y2010m1d7-Afghan-govt-demands-arrest-of-US-death-squad-who-handcuffed-executed-8-children-US-refuses" rel="nofollow">http://www.examiner.com/x-18425-LA-County-Nonpartisan-Examiner~y2010m1d7-Afghan-govt-demands-arrest-of-US-death-squad-who-handcuffed-executed-8-children-US-refuses</a></p>
<p>Afghan govt. demands arrest of US &#8220;death squad&#8221; who handcuffed, executed 8 children. US refuses</p>
<p>Kai Eide, UN Representative to Afghanistan confirmed the Afghan government’s investigative conclusions that US troops handcuffed and then executed eight students enrolled in grades 6 through 10 in a night raid on December 27, 2009. The US military and NATO responded the troops involved were non-official. The most likely source of para-military “non-official” troops in Afghanistan is Blackwater/Xe.</p>
<p>President Hamid Karzai demanded arrest of the US troops engaged in the break-in and mafia-style execution of their children. The US responded to the Afghan demand of January 1 by rejecting the findings of the Afghan government and UN with a vague promise of their own self-investigation at some later date.</p>
<p>(((3)))</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Bergman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Bergman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 01:17:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the link to the Karzai website.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the link to the Karzai website.</p>
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		<title>By: GeoffH</title>
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		<dc:creator>GeoffH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 21:26:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/07/world/asia/07intel.html?hpw has James Risen&#039;s take on the story.  What makes Americans want to work for the CIA?  All sorts of incentives, I imagine.  There were two women involved in this miscreant caper, and two Xe employees, Risen says.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/07/world/asia/07intel.html?hpw" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/07/world/asia/07intel.html?hpw</a> has James Risen&#8217;s take on the story.  What makes Americans want to work for the CIA?  All sorts of incentives, I imagine.  There were two women involved in this miscreant caper, and two Xe employees, Risen says.</p>
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		<title>By: Ishmael</title>
		<link>http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2010/01/06/shooting-handcuffed-children/comment-page-1/#comment-4160</link>
		<dc:creator>Ishmael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 20:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, lemme see. In the past three months, the Taliban/al Qaeda have successfully struck the Head of the Afghani government intelligence agency, the Pakistani Army general Headquarters and the CIA station at Khost, killing 7 high-ranking CIA officials and the King of Jordan&#039;s cousin. That tells me thay control the tempo of this war and can strike targets of their choice at will. So who&#039;s really winning this &quot;intelligence war&quot;? It sure ain&#039;t us.

In the last instance, how did they do it? They promised the CIA one of the two &quot;Holy Grails&quot;, Ayman al-Zuwahiri. It looks to this humble correspondent like they KNOW who their enemies are and we do not. There is a recurring character in many of the novels I have read I call &quot;The Old Asia Hand&quot;. This is the guy who has spent 20-30 years in country, knows the languages and all the major players. From what I&#039;ve read, we have no corresponding characters like that in real life. Hell, we have a hard time finding people who even speak the languages. As long as that&#039;s the case, we will continue to be blind to the intentions and actions of this enemy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, lemme see. In the past three months, the Taliban/al Qaeda have successfully struck the Head of the Afghani government intelligence agency, the Pakistani Army general Headquarters and the CIA station at Khost, killing 7 high-ranking CIA officials and the King of Jordan&#8217;s cousin. That tells me thay control the tempo of this war and can strike targets of their choice at will. So who&#8217;s really winning this &#8220;intelligence war&#8221;? It sure ain&#8217;t us.</p>
<p>In the last instance, how did they do it? They promised the CIA one of the two &#8220;Holy Grails&#8221;, Ayman al-Zuwahiri. It looks to this humble correspondent like they KNOW who their enemies are and we do not. There is a recurring character in many of the novels I have read I call &#8220;The Old Asia Hand&#8221;. This is the guy who has spent 20-30 years in country, knows the languages and all the major players. From what I&#8217;ve read, we have no corresponding characters like that in real life. Hell, we have a hard time finding people who even speak the languages. As long as that&#8217;s the case, we will continue to be blind to the intentions and actions of this enemy.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Bacon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg Bacon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 19:36:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ask yourself this; How much the government tells you about Afghanistan do you believe?  How much of what the CIA tells you do you believe?

Myself, both categories are under 10%. Not because I&#039;m suspicious or paranoid, but because of both of their track records of deceit stretching over decades.

So how do we know it was an Afghan Army dude, no, wait, that won&#039;t fly... Let&#039;s see, it was a Jordanian &#039;double agent&#039; who set off the suicide vest... after getting thru THREE levels of security.

Myself, I think the CIA/Blackwater thugs were arming a drugged out &#039;suicide bomber&#039; with C4 when someone screwed up and accidentally detonated the explosive. 
So instead of turning that doped out assassin into a crowded marketplace full of women and children, their usual MO, they got blown up instead.

What, you say that&#039;s crazy? 

Not as crazy as US troops storming into a home, handcuffing children and taking them outside and executing them.

[WORDPRESS HASHCASH] The poster sent us &#039;0 which is not a hashcash value.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ask yourself this; How much the government tells you about Afghanistan do you believe?  How much of what the CIA tells you do you believe?</p>
<p>Myself, both categories are under 10%. Not because I&#8217;m suspicious or paranoid, but because of both of their track records of deceit stretching over decades.</p>
<p>So how do we know it was an Afghan Army dude, no, wait, that won&#8217;t fly&#8230; Let&#8217;s see, it was a Jordanian &#8216;double agent&#8217; who set off the suicide vest&#8230; after getting thru THREE levels of security.</p>
<p>Myself, I think the CIA/Blackwater thugs were arming a drugged out &#8216;suicide bomber&#8217; with C4 when someone screwed up and accidentally detonated the explosive.<br />
So instead of turning that doped out assassin into a crowded marketplace full of women and children, their usual MO, they got blown up instead.</p>
<p>What, you say that&#8217;s crazy? </p>
<p>Not as crazy as US troops storming into a home, handcuffing children and taking them outside and executing them.</p>
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		<title>By: theepitbull</title>
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		<dc:creator>theepitbull</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 17:19:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Go David!!!!

E.X.C.E.L.L.E.N.T. Post

(((3)))</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Go David!!!!</p>
<p>E.X.C.E.L.L.E.N.T. Post</p>
<p>(((3)))</p>
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