Podcast Show #22

The Boiling Frogs Presents Coleen Rowley

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Coleen Rowley shares with us her views on the latest spectacle surrounding the Christmas Day foiled terrorist attempt, and how it reflects on policies that were implemented after 9/11. She provides us with insight into the pretend investigations carried out by the 9/11 Commission, and how they conducted many of their interviews of FBI witnesses and experts inside the FBI HQ and offices. Ms. Rowley talks about the absence of real investigations and accountability in almost any government related wrong doing and issues, our shameful treatment of inmates in Guantanamo detention center, the alarming desensitization of our people bolstered by the culprit mainstream media, and much more.

RowleyRowley, a FBI special agent for almost 24 years, was legal counsel to the FBI Field Office in Minneapolis from 1990 to 2003. She came to national attention in June 2002, when she testified before Congress about serious lapses before 9/11 that helped account for the failure to prevent the attacks. She now writes and speaks on ethical decision-making and on balancing civil liberties with the need for effective investigation.

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  1. The sooner people wake up and realize that the lame ass saying of “we failed to connect the dots,” both following the 9/11 false-flag and the Christmas Crotch bomber–who was escorted thru customs by a ‘sharp dressed man,’–the sooner they’ll realize that our own government is behind these terror attacks against Americans to keep the ‘Wars for Empire and Israel’ hot for decades to come.

    It also serves another purpose: To keep Americans scared witless, fed a steady diet of fear so they won’t notice that Wall Street and the private banking families of the Fed are stealing everything in sight and are now coming back with their ‘Crowbars by Bernanke’ to pry up and steal what was nailed down.

    And this will continue to happen, as long as Americans fill their head with slop like wondering which babe the “Bachelor’ will pick and arguing about real important stuff, like betting that the multi-millionaires from NO will beat the multi-millionaires from Indianapolis in Stupid Bowl 44.

    We are our own worst enemy.

  2. … So we can keep our fingers crossed for either a spontaneous generation of Luddites (rife with its own slopes) or an ‘Olduvesque’ event, eh.

  3. Kingfisher says:

    “Christmas Crotch bomber–who was escorted thru customs by a ’sharp dressed man”
    When did ZZ Top become suspects: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_EFdod4YDo

    “like betting that the multi-millionaires from NO will beat the multi-millionaires from Indianapolis in Stupid Bowl 44.”
    I have New Orleans to win, I’m taking the points. They have such an explosive and versatile offense and Drew Br…..oh wait you said Stupid Bowl ….zing…..oohh that’s clever. So how’s that working out for you?…..being clever.

  4. Great interview, Sibel and Peter.

    On the hiring and training of CIA operatives, The Parallax View comes to mind.

    Ms. Rowley, I hope you’ll consider running again! This time as an Independent! Part of your platform could be exposing the 5 emotion propoganda and propogandists. I know I’d support you.

  5. Lately I’m left wondering if critical thinking is the same as critical remarks.

    Kind of makes me not want to come here anymore.
    I wish there was an Ignore feature here.

    Oh well.

    I guess I’ll listen to the interview and see if I have something to offer then.

  6. Actually, True Oil, I was thinking of this clip regarding the skivvy bomber and our new airport security regime:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkYfmRwryQo

    Kind of prophetic, isn’t it? Or do we have to translate all this into Swedish now?

  7. Bill Bergman says:

    Ditto the motion on running again, Coleen. For the Big One.

  8. Awesome interview! I’m so proud of you, Sibel!! You guys are doing a great job with the show and website!

  9. JamesLaffrey says:

    @True Oil, please don’t allow their technique of Divide & Conquer to win.

    We can see which commenters repeatedly instigate anger, frustration, time-wasting, and dropping out. As I said in another thread, I don’t take the bait. I read and listen to everything here, but I don’t take the bait.

    Sibel’s website is valuable, and that’s why there will always be government-sponsored instigators here, as well as on other valuable websites and blogs. I’ll bet you’ve noticed them. I imagine that Sibel, as an administrator, has a difficult task in deciding how to handle suspected instigators and even the certain instigators.

    Here’s just one example of a known instigator (counter-blogger) on another site. A Pentagon counter-blogger was a frequent commenter on Maximilian Forte’s ZeroAnthropology website. Max traced the ISP location to the area of the Pentagon. Eventually, the instigator admitted to sending his comments from his computer, at work, in the Pentagon. Of course, the instigator didn’t admit to being a counter-blogger.
    So, the Pentagon does it. So, of course, other agencies do it.

    http://zeroanthropology.net/2009/02/28/the-deafening-silence-of-the-milbloggers-inconvenient-truths/

    The link above is one of several links I have that show Max presenting his evidence to Bob the counter-blogger, and over time and different threads, the evidence grows and the conclusion is clear.

    In conclusion, I’d like to say to you, True Oil, though I’m only a visitor on this site, I hope you’ll stay.

  10. camusrebel says:

    I was always of the opinion that Ms. Rowley’s experience with her higher-ups at the FBI, taken as a piece of the larger “hands-off muslim extremist” policies along with Phoenix, all the warnings flooding in from all corners of the globe…was the equivalent of a smoking gun, or at least a real warm cross-bow.

    So have y’all heard?! Sibel is in the next Hustler magazine!

    about the stupid bowl remarks, I been seeing a lot the last few days about what a terrible thing this one football game is. Please. If you are not a fan, don’t watch and please STFU. Fishman, who dat? i also am picking the saints to pull the upset.

  11. please, all stay and support this important site. i visit conservative/mainstream sites lately and enter discussion politely. probably appear pretty “out there” compared to some contributors, but it’s good for diversity of opinion and, just MAYBE, opening some minds a wee bit.

    had an interesting experience yesterday wherein i attempted several times to comment at cnn re borger article on intelligence community demanding “to be kept more in the loop” and sen susan collins advocating same. my several paragraph long comment was perhaps a bit unorthodox for the site, but plenty polite and courteous. here it is: (following cnn’s pop up stipulations):

    although this pop up appeared right after i tried to post my comment (twice): “CNN reserves the right, and has absolute discretion, to screen, edit, refuse to post or remove without notice any User Content posted or uploaded to CNN.com at any time and for any reason,” , on the earlier public portion suggesting one post a comment it reads:”comments are not pre-screened before they post”. which is it? i was “lively and courteous”,

    i wrote: “WHEW; THAT’s A LOT OF DISCRETION, AND NOT REALLY ALLOWING FOR THE FREE EXCHANGE OF IDEAS THAT A DEMOCRACY ALLOWS. i guess he who owns the airwaves controls the content. my comments were merely attempting to enlighten readers as to possible ways things work in this world, a view never seen in the mainstream media. such as can be found expressed at websites AE911Truth.org.

    are your readers/watchers aware that 1000 patriotic american architects and engineers have signed a petition demanding a real 911 investigation, and believe explosives-nano-thermite to be exact- brought down the THREE towers that horrible day? is this truth (THAT many professional, highly trained scientific type, middle-class people , obviously not the “conspiracy kooks” always sneered at in mainstream media, question the OFFICIAL CONSPIRACY THEORY re 19 arabs with boxcutters) too dangerous to report? check it out for yourselves, people, or don’t laugh at the patriotic ones who DO.”

    Five hours later (now the next day) still not appearing, nor has first, longer but similar, though more explicit one

    in my first attempt i referred folks to boilingfrogspost and former fbi colleen rowley’s acknowledgment that torture , apart from the legal/moral considerations , yields no real info, etc. (i’ll go back and do that part again in short form, which seems to get through)??? will let you know.

    i recommend visiting sites “not in the choir” to extend the info/facts/site recommendations far and wide–most politely, of course. perhaps then, even those “counter-bloggers” may be influenced to serve truth, justice, and compassion in this world, rather than violence, coercion and greed. rational discourse/debate/exchange of opinion is the democratic ideal, after all, is it not? the better argument/fact/science shall win in the public court of rational intelligence (here’s hoping there’s some of that left!)

    yes, camusrebel, i thought so too after reading ruppert’s crossing the rubicon. hail to the whistleblowers, exp those not of retirement age.! but kudos as well to them. lb

  12. my later, shorter comments to cnn site that passed immediately into posting. the one(s) above still have not. lbGuest what is your word limit. couldn’t find one in terms of agreement.
    22 hours ago | Reply | Report abuse

    Guest this is false advertising that “comments are not pre-screened before they post”????????? that’s not true, apparently. this place is censored. i’ve been polite but SOMEBODY doesn’t like the content. can’t talk about 911 truth here. the people might learn too much and wake up.
    22 hours ago | Reply | Report abuse

    Guest jeez again. guess it’s to be expected that a comment longer than two paragraphs warrants a longer moderator scrutiny.
    1 day ago | Reply | Report abuse

    Guest
    jeez…did anybody hear about the “sharp-dressed man” who accompanied the guy through the ticket booth? probably cia himself, helping to manufacture another incident instilling fear and trembling into gullible americans, all to justify ratcheting up the interminable wars and curtailing civil libert …more

  13. dutchbradt says:

    Colleen asserts that the use of ‘enhanced interrogation’ techniques on terror suspects is a bad idea because it produces unreliable information. But producing false information was the whole point of using enhanced interrogation. The Bush administration was looking for justifications for invading Iraq. They wanted confirmation that Saddam was in cahoots with UBL and that he had WMD – they did not want the truth.
    Torture is a tool for producing false information. The victim learns quickly what the interrogators want to hear and gives it to them. Team Bush was not incompetent in its intelligence gathering. They knew what they wanted and they got it.

  14. of course, dutchbradt; you are precisely right! lb

  15. Accurate reporting is a lot too handle. Obviously the public could be complicated too reduce these ominous “pressures”. Coercing involuntary confessions could expose a chink in any individuals armor. Unless of course the involuntary confessions are dismissed. If I am correct the dismissal of confessions is the real magic. Truly a testament of interpretive might. The television is something of a chink we collectively ignore and I don’t like staring at bright lights. I have watched television.

  16. I agree with dutchbradt–I think that Colleen Rowley is right about the value of rapport and proper information gathering as I have heard that some former Nazis at Nueremberg were cooperative with American interrogators after they played chess with them. If the military and CIA knows this, maybe the whole point of torture and the CIA guy now saying we should’ve tortured Abdulmutallab immediately is to process assets or individuals involved in set-up terrorist attacks in order to get them to conform to politicized appearances. Of course, I signed the ae911 truth petition so that is my perspective that the Christmas bombing might have been another horrible set-up like I believe 9/11 was. If the fear-based reactions of politicians etc. after 9/11 were politicized for another purpose than preventing terrorism (as the host pointed out the astronomical odds of death by terrorism–I have heard that more Americans die from allergic reactions to peanuts than terrorism), perhaps it might be best to reject the “acceptable dialogue” of “security” and “terrorism” and opt instead for trying to identify if there’s an actual hidden agenda behind these insane security procedures, patriot act, wiretapping, mid east wars etc? Like pipelines and energy and propping up old corrupt decaying power structures? Great show, I think it’s great that Colleen Rowley ran for congress!

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