The New Phase for Sibel Edmonds’ Boiling Frogs Post
Tuesday, 23. February 2010
In October 2009 I launched Boiling Frogs Post with one purpose in mind: To establish a venue for investigative articles, editorials, analyses, discussions, and interviews on issues largely censored and blacked out by the media. After four months of a successful trial phase this venue is now ready to enter its next stage, and for that it needs your support.
Boiling Frogs Post is solely dependent on its readers, and has no ties to any institution, foundation, organization or corporation. This is the only model I see fit to be called an independent news and views venue, untainted by external pressures, special interests or partisan flavoring.
Our authors and analysts present their work, not agenda scripts or special recipes handed to them for creation of a particular propaganda to serve a particular interest. And, our weekly commercial-free Podcast Show hosts the voices of noteworthy guests on topics long-muffled and quashed by the mainstream media and their minions on lower levels posing as alternatives.
I’m happy to report that in the four months since the launching of Boiling Frogs Post we have accomplished and delivered every single objective set prior to the launching this site. I am proud to have established a distinguished team of journalists, analysts, authors, and an editorial cartoonist whose work is based on truth and real issues.
Whether it is going after hypocrisy-ridden foreign policy practices, the ever revolving doors of foreign lobbies, or our stomped upon and continuously assaulted civil liberties, our work transcends the webs put in place by partisanship and special interests and agendas. Here are a few examples of our work:
- Sibel Edmonds- The Makings of a Police State Series
- Dr. Nafeez Ahmed- Yemen, Energy Crisis & the Nigerian Crutch Bomber Series
- Mizgin Yilmaz- Richard Armitage Series
- Dr. William Weaver – The Impulse to Secrecy: The Glomar Response
- Peter Lance: Fort Hood & the KSM Trial Series
- Sibel Edmonds- Op-ed Series
In this short time span the Boiling Frogs Show has been able to present you with over 20 distinguished experts and whistleblowers from the fields of journalism, intelligence, grassroots activism, academia, and foreign policy. Here is a list of select interviews:
- James Bamford on NSA & Illegal Domestic Wiretapping
- Pepe Escobar on the Current Energy Crisis & the Quest for Central Asia-Caspian Region
- Russ Baker on the Concept of Shadow Government and the Real Power Centers in the US
- Daniel Ellsberg on Obama Presidency & Whistleblowers
- Andy Worthington on America’s Detention Center at Guantanamo Bay
- Chris Hedges on the US Media & the Empire of Illusion
- Coleen Rowley on Accountability, Whistleblowers & Activism
I believe during this four-month trial phase Boiling Frogs Post has established a solid track record with what it has accomplished, and a view of what it can accomplish given your support and backing. We are now ready to begin our next phase, during which we will continue to provide what you have seen, read, and listened to thus far, and additionally, will present exclusive video clips and investigative stories.
This site will continue and expand only with your direct support. I am asking every one of you to consider yourself as the one who can make this possible, that without your active support this real alternative site will not continue or exist, and that without your help those who consider truly independent channels like this ‘impossible to survive and flourish’ will be proven right, and with that we will all lose. So please do your share, and contribute whatever you can now.
Our countdown to receive your support and donations begins today. No donation is either too small or too large. Please donate what you can to keep this home of the irate minority alive, and thank you for all you do.
Sibel Edmonds
Founder & Publisher, Boiling Frogs Post
max Says:
Would you consider sending me an autographed picture for a nice donation? I would just love that. If not, I’ll still donate anyways.
SanderO Says:
Ms Edmonds,
Thank you for this noble attempt at real journalism. You are doing quite well. My only issue is the reluctance to look into failure of the media to discuss evidence that leads away from Al Qaeda with respect to 9/11 and for you to have an author report on this.
I have had discussions with Professor William Blum who, like Peter Lance takes the view that 9/11 was essentially blowback for US hegemony in the Middle East. While this certainly makes sense it does not go further or deeper and examine the fact that US Intel is using Al Qaeda for its own global agenda.
There has been more than enough solid evidence that the CIA has not only created AQ, but it it probably has double agents which are inside of AQ and fueling their “plots”… with the supposed attempt to thwart them and catch more AQ and head off larger plots. What this has done is facilitate AQ’s activities such as the crotch bomber, which is them used as a reason to clamp down more on our rights and ramp up the consensus that AQ is a threat. This is pure hooey.
The MIC and the CIA are using terrorism to justify their pillage of our treasure and our blood to fight against an enemy THEY created, which is much as they did with 9/11 where AQ was meant to take the blame for an intel operation which would be used to justify two wars and all sorts of abuses by the national security state.
We have had a silent coup d’etat in America. It has left the government in place which is can now completely control with legalized bribery, and a government who responds in completely predictable manner to the made up threats they created with the black ops false flag operations. Once they set up AQ as the boogey men, made all Americans fearful in their own country, they were able to get the “elected” government to do their bidding.
The intel services are the ones who pulled of this coup. We need reporters to tell us who they work for and who authorized this strategy.
Kingfisher Says:
Go away SanderO. Take your prattle elsewhere.
Kingfisher Says:
@Sibel,
http://www.thelawyer.com/dla-to-launch-in-turkey-via-alliance-with-local-firm/1003559.article
ZicaTanka Says:
Nice find about Grossman, KF.
I wish you would respond to SO with more than an accusation of prattling. It actually sounds too cheap and below you (I hope) to converse that way.
ZicaTanka Says:
Here’s how I do it:
No god! Live with it, you fuckbrains!
You, on the other hand, might want to say:
No molten metal! Just believe me! I read that somewhere!
ZicaTanka Says:
But, then, you’d have the preponderance of evidence against you, unlike me. But, hey, it’d be better than just being a dick and telling someone to take off without first chastising them, right?
ZicaTanka Says:
Sorry, my mistake, you did chastise SO with your all-to-common “prattle” attack. Whoa, was that ever effective. Way to go, man.
ZicaTanka Says:
Sibel, I’m in and I know KF is too. Tomorrow’s payday.
KF, please forgive the dusty truth. You’re one of my commenting heros here and I’ve learned a lot from you.
zb Says:
Zica-
Use of the term ‘terrorist’ predates 9/11 by at least 225 years, as the British used the term to rally support at home against these uncivilized bastards unwilling to line up in pretty rows and columns to me mowed down. Reagan was also particularly fond of the blanket statement, and he wasn’t the only one.
You appear to be leaning on the event just as much as ‘they’ do. It’s not going away, nor is their media-induced psychosis over it.
As far as the religious stance, it’s built in. Every society has, unless quashed by a state power, has had at the least some sort of spirituality or crazy allegorical story rationalizing the walk from there to now. You hallucinate come near-death experience and when you die and I bet even you make attempts at dream interpretation. You not only marginalize many more than you defend but back up the neocon’s psychotic ‘we are being besieged’ religious mentality that was one reason for the support of the people wading into this whole mess.
On one hand you decry religion for the same reasons you incite it with the other.
People are small things, try not to cause stampedes. They are much more willing to help you when you leave your tendencies to crush their rationalizations at the door.
And for anyone with an eye on one of the major media sources, the slope just got quite a bit slipperier this morning.
stuartbramhall Says:
While the conception behind this site and quality of the journalism is awesome, I can’t help but feel mildly depressed at the plethora of good websites and blogs exposing 1. that Americans have totally lost control over their government 2. that the US government no longer operates in their interest 3. that it acts purely in the interest of the small corporate elite that has total de facto control over the federal government 4. that it engages in massive lies and deception to conceal these facts and 5. that it’s protected and supported by a corporate controlled mass media determined to deliberate confuse and obfuscate this reality. With the on-going economic crisis and impending energy and climate change crises, I strongly believe Internet journalists have to go beyond merely exposing these outrages. The small segment of the American public that follows Internet journalism has been overcome by outrage fatigue (a term coined by Naomi Wolf in 2007 though there are now a number of websites and blogs dedicated to this condition). I think quality blogs like this need to begin to focus on what Americans must do to address their desperate situation http://www.stuartbramhal.aegauthorblogs.com
ZicaTanka Says:
Thanks, zb, I’ll think about what you’ve said.
Natasha Millikan Says:
SanderO Says: “Ms Edmonds, Thank you for this noble attempt at real journalism. You are doing quite well.” Then he goes on to suggest a topic he would like to see Edmonds address.
Because Edmonds does not address Sander’s pet topic, she is not a ‘real’ journalist. She has not succeeded at ‘real’ journalism, she has only *attempted* it. Nobly. And he generously grants that she is doing “quite well.” But it was just an attempt. What self-important, condescending bullshit!!
Would you have been so disgustingly condescending if Edmonds were not a woman? Grow up and accept that the world doesn’t revolve around you.
ZicaTanka Says:
@zb:
I’ve had a little time to think about what you wrote and would like to respond.
First, I’m not exactly sure why you brought up the term ‘terrorist’. Not only does that concept predate 9/11 and 225 years with the British, as you mentioned, but it is most likely as old as any given language. I would say the same about ‘god’. Most likely, they aren’t that far apart in their meaning.
Second, as for me leaning on 9/11 in a way that can be related to the way that it has been leaned upon to start multiple wars and throw power to the executive branch of our government, I must say that I can only dream of being so effective in my leanings. Furthermore, my comments were in defense of someone else being able to mention said events without ridicule.
Third, being anti-theistic does not incite religious fervor as much as being (pick your flavor of) theistic, in my opinion. I’m simply not being a bystander and letting theism flow through conversations of which I’m participating.
Fourth, my intention is probably not so different from my affect, when it comes to my relationships here. Please see the quote on the BFP home page. There is a difference between trampling on other “small” people and starting brush fires in other people’s minds.
Thanks again for your comments. I’m interested in your last comments about the slope becoming slipperier. What’s the story?
zb Says:
In layman’s terms, I am asking you to keep the woman, who is a public figure, out of the internal extremist’s line of fire. Keep things tangible, at the very least.
I was referring to the ‘Al-Zawahiri tape’ railing against Turkey.
This nation is full of lunatics and if you keep it up her safety is compromised.
Get it?
camusrebel Says:
Natasha, please. With all due respect, you are barking up the wrong tree. Like me, SanderO has been here from the beginning(lo’ these 4 long months). He has always been very respectful to our esteemed hostess.
We belong to a minority here who believe strongly that this site should not ignore 9/11 truth. We try not to bring it up when it clearly has no bearing, but accept for a moment that our worst accusation are true.
Think about it….then you see it pretty much always has some bearing.
Staurt, therein lies your answer. What we must do to address our situation is stop running from the elephant in the room. Yes, it is kinda scairy. But 9/11 truth has the potential to bring revolutionary shifting of the ol paradigm. With it the possibilities are endless: ending the CIA, outlawing the 2 partys, nationalizing energy, the banks, taking our airwaves back, Article V convention…..in short, saving our planet. Without it we are toast.
T Says:
Not to take away from what Sibel’s doing here. But hopefully this will add to the overall content here.
Go back to the beginning of Democracy Now(1996). Download some of their podcasts and compare that to what Obama’s doing now. It’s scary how much is similiar.
Kingfisher Says:
@ZT,
SanderO has been here before, and I have responded to him. In fact, if you remember, you once suggested that I was in fact sockpuppeting as SanderO; because his bull-headedness and self-importance so aptly demonstrated my arguments about “Truthers”.
I have come to at least enjoy, if not appreciate camusrebels rants; and I consider you ZT, a comment section pal. Sander however cannot be reasoned with at all. He is a cyber cancer. He speaks as if his theories about his pet topic are fact and the “truth”. He is like a religious zealot.
SanderO Says:
Hahaha.
@KF
I am neither religious nor a zealot. I very much appreciate the work Ms Edmonds has done, and I am interested in drilling deeper into the terrorism “myth” and how 9/11 was likely a false flag operation. I found Peter Lance’s work woefully inadequate because he doesn’t question some of the assumptions that the powers that be want us to believe.
@ Natasha
I am trying to induce Ms Edmonds to have a journalist who will objectively drill into 9/11 without prejudice and take the investigation wherever it will go.
As an architect I am quite certain that the destruction of the 3 towers involved more than fuel from fires and planes who hit them. This means that there were others who have yet to be identified who participated in that attack.
I want to know who it is, because
There were 2,735 people killed in the World Trade Center and near it, including:
• 343 NYFD firefighters and paramedics
• 23 NYPD police officers
• 37 Port Authority police officers
• 1,402 people in Tower 1
• 614 people in Tower 2
• 658 people at one company, Cantor Fitzgerald
• 1,762 New York residents
• 674 New Jersey residents
• 1 NYFD firefighter killed by a man jumping off the top floors of the Twin Towers
There were 125 civilians and military personnel killed at the Pentagon. While it was mostly Americans who were killed in this horrific attack, there were also 327 foreign nationals. 1,609 people lost a spouse or partner on 9/11. More than 3,051 children lost parents. There were 266 passengers and crew killed in the four hijacked flights.
In addition to the fatalities and deaths the loss of property and the costs associated with clean up. Estimates total these losses at north of $2,000.000,000,000 ($2 trillion) including :
• $1 billion damage to the Pentagon
• $2.5 billion destruction of the 7 WTC buildings
• $21.8 billion losses in unrecoverable property
• $10 billion air traffic revenue
• $13 billion damage to NYC infrastructure
• $95 billion to NYC in taxes, cleaning, jobs etc.
• $40 billion in costs to meet the GWOT (anti terrorism upgrades)
• $17 billion in direct job losses
and then there’s this:
The above causalities were only the beginning of those who could be classified as victims of 9/11. Two separate invasions of the USA and coalitions forces invaded Iraq and Afghanistan using the attacks of 9/11 as casus belli. Both of these actions were justified on the basis that the US had a right to attack any nation which they deemed to harbor or support international terrorism.
The almost 1,700 deaths reported from Afghanistan as of February 2010 are:
• 999 US military fatalities
• 263 UK military fatalities
• 393 Coalition military fatalities
The almost 4,700 deaths reported from Iraq as of February 2010 are:
• 4376 US military fatalities
• 179 UK military fatalities
• 139 Coalition military fatalities
These statistics do not include the tens of thousands of soldiers and others seriously injured for life.
These figures pale when the death count of innocents in the war zones of Iraq and Afghanistan are taken into account. There were 5 surveys of civilian deaths, Iraq Family Health Survey, Lancet Survey, Opinion Research Business Survey, Associated Press Survey and the Iraqi Body Count which range from a low of 110,600 to a high of 1,033,000 violent deaths as a result of coalition Iraqi operations. Figures for Afghanistan indicate as many as 8,309 civilians have been killed along with 8,587 Afghan troops. In addition both military theatres include deaths to contractors and journalists:
Afghanistan:
• 75 Contractors died
• 9 journalists died
Iraq:
• 933 Contractors died
• 141 journalists died
ZicaTanka Says:
@KF, thanks. I appreciate your tolerance for some of the rudeness in my late night rants. I think I’m going to have a breathalyzer installed on my laptop
Seriously, to everyone, sorry for being so crass sometimes.
And a huge thank you to Sibel for running this show!
ZicaTanka Says:
The U.S. is Now a Police State – By PAUL CRAIG ROBERTS
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ZicaTanka Says:
The U.S. is Now a Police State – By PAUL CRAIG ROBERTS
camusrebel Says:
a big amen to the Sandman. Some sobering stats indeed.
Sibel, thank you for not outright banning
us whacky twoofers like many “progressive” sites.
I know we can be awful goofy, sometimes even borderline loony but what is a relevant, vibrant comment section that’s all about preachin’ 2 da choir??
Let’s disagree, let’s discuss, perchance grow.
Maybe our favorite lily pad in the frog pond of cyberland doesn’t cater to our every whim as to who should be writing about what, but,
some polite discussion of the elephant is usually tolerated and for that I am grateful.
camusrebel Says:
Sander, are you one of the 1,000 plus architect/engineer for truth?
Kingfisher Says:
Please bash your head against the keyboard – hopefully it can clear up some of your literal mindedness. Did I say you were religious? No, I was speaking figuratively; your bull-headedness and self-importance regarding this issue is figuratively like that of a religious zealot’s.
“As an architect I am quite certain that the destruction of the 3 towers involved more than fuel from fires and planes who hit them. This means that there were others who have yet to be identified who participated in that attack.”
As you keep reminding us that you’re an architect (brain geared for science & math = literal mindedness). Let’s pretend that you are worth listening to because you’re an architect (you’re not); the problem is then that after playing up your architect bona fides you then go pontificating about things that nothing to do with architecture and engineering – which is in fact shit that you have no idea what you are talking about. In fact nothing in your posts on this thread mentions anything relating to architecture and engineering – it’s all shit that obviously know nothing about and unsupported assertions.
Further, there are plenty of other places to discuss the architecture and engineering of your pet topic, and they have resources of their own. I ask again: why do you need another place for that?
Don’t go away angry; just go away.
camusrebel Says:
Why do you, fishbait, need another place to spew so much “shit”?
Accusations, profanity, and pure, unadultered fear of a calm, polite discussions. Come on dude, don’t make me pull this car over and bring up RC? You don’t like a mans facts, tell him exactly how and why you don’t like his facts. Simple. Having a tantrum a screeching,
“Go Play Someplace Else”
really unbecoming of an honest broker.
Kingfisher Says:
“@KF, thanks. I appreciate your tolerance for some of the rudeness in my late night rants. I think I’m going to have a breathalyzer installed on my laptop”
No prob, ZT. I need a breathalyzer built into my cell phone.
An Open Note to Truther CD Nanothermiters:
Fine, you guys really believe this nano-thermite took down the towers. Want to really investigate this? I suggest that you also look into the following:
NT at the time was like exotic, cutting-edge stuff in 2001, right? Probably only a small number of people working with or on it – including in government projects; probably only a small number of people smart or capable enough to develop it – a specialized field, right?
Ask yourself what kind of background would they have (PhD, post-doc work, publications, previous work, etc), and what kind of fields would they be experts in. Survey this field and assemble a list of these people. Even if they were in some really black government program, they would have dissertations or published academic work on NT or related fields from their pasts. They would have a background.
Make a list, and continue to narrow down the criteria: you will probably come down to a handful of people. Then determine what they were doing in the 16 months leading up to 9/11/01 and eliminate more from the list. Then if your NT theory pans out (which btw, I don’t think will): you might have a list of persons of interest.
In the meantime, please don’t post your stuff here.
Sincerely,
Kingfisher
Kingfisher Says:
“If I was investigating the case, I’d round up 100 of the world’s best riflemen…and find out which ones were in Dallas that day.” – JFK (1991)
max Says:
queenfisher, why don’t you go get a life? You have nothing better to do then hang around and try to tell people what to post here and what not to? Are you with the ADL? Your a little dirt ball with a big mouth. Judging by your attempt every chance you get to try to suppress free speech or opinion, I think you must for sure be a with the ADL or AIPAC. What makes you think anyone gives a shit about what you think ? I can tell you that no one really does. Your a troll that’s all. Sibel should ban your ass. You are a distraction to everyone here who try’s to have a debate on any issue. Do us all a favor — STFU and move along to back under your bridge with the rest of the trolls.
ZicaTanka Says:
I totally agree. Here’s one place to start looking:
The Top Ten Connections Between NIST and Nano-Thermites by Kevin R. Ryan, 7-02-08
…An excerpt:
Here are the top ten reasons why nano-thermites, and nano-thermite coatings, should have come to mind quickly for the NIST WTC investigators.
1. NIST was working with LLNL to test and characterize these sol-gel nanothermites, at least as early as 1999 (Tillitson et al 1999).
2. Forman Williams, the lead engineer on NIST’s advisory committee, and the most prominent engineering expert for Popular Mechanics, is an expert on the deflagration of energetic materials and the “ignition of porous energetic materials”(Margolis and Williams 1996, Telengator et al 1998, Margolis and Williams 1999). Nano-thermites are porous energetic materials. Additionally, Williams’ research partner, Stephen Margolis, has presented at conferences where nano-energetics are the focus (Gordon 1999). Some of Williams’ other colleagues at the University of California San Diego, like David J. Benson, are also experts on nano-thermite materials (Choi et al 2005, Jordan et al 2007).
3. Science Applications International (SAIC) is the DOD and Homeland Security contractor that supplied the largest contingent of non-governmental investigators to the NIST WTC investigation. SAIC has extensive links to nano-thermites, developing and judging nano-thermite research proposals for the military and other military contractors, and developing and formulating nano-thermites directly (Army 2008, DOD 2007). SAIC’s subsidiary Applied Ordnance Technology has done research on the ignition of nanothermites with lasers (Howard et al 2005). In an interesting coincidence, SAIC was the firm that investigated the 1993 WTC bombing, boasting that — “After the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, our blast analyses produced tangible results that helped identify those responsible (SAIC 2004).” And the coincidences with this company don’t stop there, as SAIC was responsible for evaluating the WTC for terrorism risks in 1986 as well (CRHC 2008). SAIC is also linked to the late 1990s security upgrades at the WTC, the Rudy Giuliani administration, and the anthrax incidents after 9/11, through former employees Jerome Hauer and Steven Hatfill.
4. Arden Bement, the metallurgist and expert on fuels and materials who was nominated as director of NIST by President George W. Bush in October 2001, was former deputy secretary of defense, former director of DARPA’s office of materials science, and former executive at TRW. Of course, DOD and DARPA are both leaders in the production and use of nanothermites (Amptiac 2002, DOD 2005). And military and aerospace contractor TRW has had a long collaboration with NASA laboratories in the development of energetic materials that are components of advanced propellants, like nano-gelled explosive materials (NASA 2001). TRW Aeronautics also made fireproof composites and high performance elastomer formulations, and worked with NASA to make energetic aerogels. Additionally, Bement was a professor at Purdue and MIT. Purdue has a thriving program for nano-thermites (Son 2008). And interestingly, at MIT’s Institute for Soldier Nanotechnology, we find Martin Z. Bazant, son of notable “conspiracy debunker” Zdenek P. Bazant (MIT 2008), who does research on granular flows, and the electrochemical interactions of silicon. Zdenek P. Bazant is interested in nanocomposites as well (Northwestern 2008), and how they relate to naval warfare (ONR 2008). MIT was represented at nano-energetics conferences as early as 1998 (Gordon 1998). Bement was also a director at both Battelle and the Lord Corporation. Battelle (where the anthrax was made) is an organization of “experts in fundamental technologies from the five National Laboratories we manage or co-manage for the US DOE.” Battelle advertises their specialization in nanocomposite coatings (Battelle 2008). The Lord Corporation also makes high-tech coatings for military applications (Lord 2008). In 1999, Lord Corp was working with the Army and NASA on “advanced polymer composites, advanced metals, and multifunctional materials” (Army 1999).
5. Hratch Semerjian, long-time director of NIST’s chemical division, was promoted to acting director of NIST in November 2004, and took over the WTC investigation until the completion of the report on the towers. Semerjian is closely linked to former NIST employee Michael Zachariah, perhaps the world’s most prominent expert on nano-thermites (Zachariah 2008). In fact, Semerjian and Zachariah co-authored ten papers that focus on nano-particles made of silica, ceramics and refractory particles. Zachariah was a major player in the Defense University Research Initiative on Nanotechnology (DURINT), a groundbreaking research effort for nano-thermites.
6. NIST has a long-standing partnership with NASA for the development of new nano-thermites and other nano-technological materials. In fact, Michael Zachariah coordinates this partnership (CNMM 2008).
7. In 2003, two years before the NIST WTC report was issued, the University of Maryland College Park (UMCP) and NIST signed a memorandum of understanding to develop nano-technologies like nano-thermites (NIST 2003). Together, NIST and UMCP have done much work on nano-thermites (NM2 2008).
8. NIST has their own Center for Nanoscale Science and Technology (CNST 2008). Additionally, NIST’s Reactive Flows Group did research on nanostructured materials and high temperature reactions in the mid-nineties (NRFG 1996).
9. Richard Gann, who did the final editing of the NIST WTC report, managed a project called “Next-Generation Fire Suppression Technology Program”, both before and after 9/11. Andrzej Miziolek, another of the world’s leading experts on nano-thermites (Amptiac 2002), is the author of “Defense Applications of Nanomaterials”, and also worked on Richard Gann’s fire suppression project (Gann 2002). Gann’s project was sponsored by DOD’s Strategic Environmental Research and Development Program (SERDP), an organization that sponsored a number of LLNL’s nano-thermite projects (Simpson 2002, Gash et al 2003).
10. As part of the Federal Laboratory Consortium for Technology Transfer, NIST partners with the Naval Surface Warfare Center at Indian Head (NSWC-IH) on Chemical Science and Technology (FLCTT 2008). NSWC-IH is probably the most prominent US center for nano-thermite technology (NSWC 2008). In 1999, Jan Puszynski, a scientist working for the DURINT program, helped NSWC-IH design a pilot plant to produce nano-size aluminum powder. It was reported that “At that time, this was [the] only reliable source of aluminum nanopowders in the United States” (SDSMT 2001), however, private companies like Argonide and Technanogy were also known to have such capabilities. Among an interesting group of contractors that NSWC-IH hired in 1999 were SAIC, Applied Ordnance, Battelle, Booz Allen Hamilton, Mantech, Titan, Pacific Scientific Energetic (see below), and R Stresau Laboratories for “demolition materials” (NSWC 2000). A tragic coincidence left William Caswell, an employee of NSWC-IH, dead on the plane said to have hit the Pentagon (Flight 77). He had for many years worked on “deep-black” projects at NSWC-IH (Leaf 2007).
The presence of Pacific Scientific Energetics (PSE) in this list of 1999 NSWC-IH contractors is interesting because PSE was the parent company of Special Devices, Inc (SDI). SDI specializes in explosives for defense, aerospace and mining applications, and was acquired in 1998 by John Lehman, 9/11 Commissioner, member of the Project for a New American Century, and former Secretary of the Navy (SDI 2008). Lehman divested in 2001.
ZicaTanka Says:
I mean I totally agreed with KF’s strategy for looking for perps.
Sibel Edmonds Says:
I’m going to politely ask, once: This is a specific post on supporting BFP; not an open forum on ‘anything.’ I’ll delete irrelevant comments from now on. Feel free to start your own forum on the topics above, but respect each post for what it’s about on this site. Thank You.
ZicaTanka Says:
My apologies. Please delete all mine from this post to clean it up.
camusrebel Says:
I am reaching for my wallet right now. When you say respect each post for what it’s about, I try to do that. Do you forsee any posts on “the topic that shall not be discussed”?
And by, “start your own forum” do you mean start my own web site?
I really love and want to support BFP. And I’m not trying to be cute or funny. I am fairly low tech and not an expert on all the lingo.
cinderman Says:
Sibel… more and more I find myself coming to BFP for real news. I really admire your work and your efforts to get the truth out there. As soon as I get some money, I’ll be a $$ contributor as well… something I’ve never done before. Too, I support your desire to excise bottom dwellers who use forums like this to get attention for their low life attitudes. While I’m not into censorship per se (I’ve been censored in the press for the most ridiculous things) I do believe in a certain amount of decorum in a blog so good as yours. I like the quality of the writing, and for the most part the comments are astute, erudite, and have good, meaningful content. I have learned a lot here. As camusrebel said, perhaps a “gumwall” for BFP members who have bones to pick with one another could leave their nasty sound bytes there and not gum up the comments under good articles with ad hoc attacks or irrelevant issues. But on the other hand, sometimes an article will lead me on a tangent. It’s fine line sometimes, however I think those being abusive tend to be blatantly obvious, if not excessively redundant. YT, cinderman.
camusrebel Says:
Sibel, I just sent an Andy Jackson your way. Hope it helps. Would love to do so every time you ask, but please give the elephant some breathing room. You don’t have to hug him and be his best friend but somehow an extremely courageous woman like yourself can find a little corner where he can once in a while be politely discussed. We do not need any more DailyKos-like progressive sites where the mere mention earns a lifetime ban. I am fully aware that there are several sites out there devoted to our besmirched pachyderm. But, again, posting there is preaching to the choir. Here we have a collection of well informed patriots, many with opposing viewpoint concerning humble Horton. Please don’t boil that dust speck.
SanderO Says:
Ms Edmonds,
I am sorry for introducing yet another plea for the best reporters to take up the challenge in what I see as the most important story in decades – the false flag of 9/11. I will not go further than that.
@ At KF. I am a NYS licensed architect since 1982 and a signer of the AE911Truth petition in 07 and serve on their Board of Directors. I do not support everything espoused by that group nor the 9/11 Truth movement. I see lies and deception and want it exposed.
I am only wanting the facts and consider BF a great start and returning journalism to what it should be and perhaps once was. This is an enormous task. But there are some great reporters and journalists out there such as Glenn Greenwald, Russ Baker, Chris Hedges, Robert Fiske, Jeremy, Scahill and others. We need more of them.
I expect Ms Edmonds will find them and give them a vehicle to present their work and leave no stone unturned.
Sibel Edmonds Says:
3 Days & Counting:
Many many thanks for all your support. We still have a long way to go; we are in this countdown together. Let’s make this happen.
SanderO Says:
There is a typo here:
Dr. Nafeez Ahmed- Yemen, Energy Crisis & the Nigerian Crutch Bomber Series
should be
crotch
ZicaTanka Says:
@Sibel:
I’m wondering if you are still considering further developing your Project Expose MSM? I still think that naming some names in the MSM might be a worthwile effort, though, as you mentioned way back when, it’s tough to get people to name those names.
cinderman Says:
Sibel… I too recommend further investigation into 911. BFP needs to take a stance on this. I knew it was a false flag immediately. Esp because the day before I just finished reading “day of deceit” by stinnet. And too, on Fleicher’s first press conference he tipped his hand. He knew too much with little evidence in hand. What we need to do is create a pro-active agenda, and not simply a defensive one. Let’s start there. Most of us know what the problems are… let’s work on solutions. Together… before it’s too late! Time is short and our future is at stake.
ZicaTanka Says:
@Sibel: I’ve been trying to post a comment on Larry Flint’s post about you SIBEL EDMONDS: THE TRAITORS AMONG US, but am still waiting for it to appear. My comment was in agreement with another mentioning that you had your own website. I was trying to encourage financial support for the BFP. Haven’t seen my comment appear yet. Maybe I’ll try it again tomorrow.
@cinderman: Sibel has taken of a stance in favor of further investigation, as have some of her podcast interviewees.
T Says:
For everyone here who wants a new 9/11 investigation, consider another point of view on this.
Lots of people ask Amy Goodman why doesn’t she use her show to investigate this? The reason is because like the MSM, she’s running a business. A non-profit, but still a businss. Democracy Now used to be part of Pacifica. Then they went independent but use Pacifica as part of their outlet. And, being the savvy businesswoman that she is, the last thing she needs is for them to be labelled “The 9/11 Network”.
If Pacifica were to drop them, that means that they’re almost at the level that Air America was at re: affiliates. What good does that do them (short or long-term)? None at all.
Look at the wide range of progressive sites (other than this one). They’re all using the same tools:
podcasts
You Tube, Facebook, My Space and other networking sites
transcripts
T-shirts, mugs, books and other online store stuff
syndicated talk shows
Who’s the top progressive talk host right now? Thom Hartmann. Why? Because he has a good distributor for his show. And two, he just doesn’t push 9/11 stuff every day.
As important as it is (yes, I think it needs to be investigated), at the same time it can really hurt your cause (if not done the right way).
How many average people can name a 9/11 “expert”? Unfortunately, some outlets (Russia Today, Press TV, etc.) are IMO exploiting these people for ratings ala the MSM. Which unfortunately only adds to the “crackpot/consipiracy theory” label for them.
She probably won’t publish all the details regarding her hit rates, reporter contracts and other site-related stuff. But Sibel has to compete for an audience with everyone else.
No disrespect to her. But how long has it been now since she went public with her allegations? And what’s happened (beyond this site, some documentaries and appearances on Democracy Now, Mike Malloy and some others)? Nothing really.
I’m not saying stop. I’m not saying she’s wasting her time. All I’m saying is that if you really want a comprehensive 9/11 investigation, be fully aware of what’s involved. And the implications it can have on those who carry it out.
If millions of people really want this, how come there’s no non-profit that people are pouring millions into? How come Michael Moore and other mega-rich progressives aren’t bankrolling this? Because some of them did the same thing with Air America (which went bankrupt twice). If you were in their position, would you really call this a good long-term investment?
Many of these people are well-meaning progressives. But they’re also savvy businesspeople. And sometimes the two don’t perfectly match.
hatchcar Says:
Sibel, sent you a check for $100. Hope it helps, and I love your site. If I may, here’s a suggestion for your podcast show.
Mr. Grant Smith, who is the author of a new book titled, “Spy Trade: How Isreal’s Lobby Undermines America’s Economy”. Just saw an interview of him on Press TV(Out of Iran). Why does an Iranian TV netword interview an American about Isreal?
According to Mr. Smith, Israel has been spying on the US long before you were employed by the FBI.
SanderO Says:
@T
There are many reasons why media and government won’t touch 9/11 and it a lot more than what you are alleging to be the main reason – that it’s the kiss of death from a business perspective. For one, underlying 9/11 as a false flag is that our problems around the world (terrorism) are not blowback for failed US policies, but that terrorism and all sorts of illegal black intel type activity IS HOW WE are conducting foreign policy.
What appears to be going on is that “intel/rougue agents” ex military with ties to the MIC are engineering US policy by creating events which the government responds to… bringing about the policies that these “behind the scenes” interests want. They make the false flags and our entire government, population and media fall right in line.
This group has staged a kind of coup d’etat where the government has been left in place, and the constitution has been relegated to a document stored under glass. In the past several decades they have engineered legal bribery which is called – lobbying and private “free speech rights” election financing, they have walked back the 4th amendment and they have stolen the taxpayers money for the “financial bail out”… they have got themselves a few trillion dollars worth of war profits without a declaration of war! You have to bee rich to be in congress or run for high office and so we have a oligarchy of the wealthy who are supposed to represent the people. They represent the haves and the have mores as Bush declared.
9/11 was a coup d’etat and that’s worth investigating. But it also scares the hell out on anyone who tries to go there. Look at how Van Jones was forced to back down from his demand for a new investigation. He gets booted out as an adviser and he now claims he never said it. The coup scares people when it has to. If anyone thinks they don’t kill ask the 9/11 victim’s families.
zb Says:
An election is stolen and a few people, at most, attend several protests.
9/11 comes and goes and more money is recompensed to ‘victims’ than to those suffering through any natural disaster. Untold numbers fake the deaths of family members for a quick buck.
A voice speaks and the deluded lunatics, unable to wait for the day they sit by idly as the masses overtake their rulers, come clamoring for something they should do themselves.
cinderman Says:
Independent websites such as BFP SHOULD take a stand on 9/11. We don’t want that publicity hound Alex Jones being the only spokesperson for the greatest and most heinous crime our govt has ever committed. We need to put jerks like Rumsfeld, Cheney, Powell, Bush (1&2), Wolfawtf (sp?), Silverstein, and so many others behind bars – and together. Until this happens, everything else is mute. The time for being timid has long passed. We need to join arms and stand up against this incredible usurpation of power and control. Otherwise we are a failed, and deeply flawed society, and doomed to extinction. Either the end is near, or a new beginning needs to happen asap. Frankly, I’m tired of the bs on both sides of the aisle, what we need is a real revolution. (Rock my soul in the rhythm of Abraham
… Peter, Paul, & Mary.
Sibel Edmonds Says:
@Hatchcar: Thank you very much for both: your generous donation and the suggestion for the show. Do you have Grant’s direct contact info? Please send me an e-mail (via contact section), and we’ll communicate further directly-via e-mail.
hatchcar Says:
@Sibel I’ve sent you contact info per your request. I’m extremely honored that I’ve been helpful in this wonderful endeavor.
hatchcar Says:
You’re old friend at Antiwar Radio has already interviewd Mr. Smith. I encourage others here to listen as well.
I plan on donating to your great site as the year progresses. I hope it will be helpful to you.
http://antiwar.com/radio/2010/02/18/grant-f-smith-5/
T Says:
Here’s a break from all the doom and gloom for a second.
Remember Pat Paulsen, who ran for President back in the ’60s (and got over 100,000 votes)? Guess who’s this close to running in 2012? One of his sons is going to declare soon. And, it looks like he’ll get backing from the Smothers Brothers.
More as it happens.
thymesup Says:
i have to agree this is the best website i visit and my expectations are being fulfilled. usually rational, high level, polite (except oft’times by kingfisher) discourse and very interesting guests. i look forward to many more.
i’ve sent another modest contribution but don’t EXPECT recompense via particular program fulfillment. However, Sibel; would it be possible for you to do followup/comment on ‘04 911 citizen commission hearings where indira singh (after gladly and obligingly reading your important letter to chairman kean!) testified re PTECH and how there was already in ‘04 sufficient info/evidence to prosecute those responsible for 911, but that it just didn’t seem to be happening. do you know of her whereabouts and if she is safe? you probably know that the radio show producer/confidante of ms. singh suffered an untimely death. reminds one of gary webb’s death and how many others? yes, intimidation and worse seems to be real, especially for those of growing public influence and “sensitive story” investigations. 911 is considered by many to be THE mother issue, ie, solve IT and simultaneously many other problems as well.
i think the whole system is bought and/or scared stiff to confront real perpetrators re drugs, guns and murder, (as in 911) as peter dale scott said, he thinks obama is probably afraid of the cia. look into air force col., cia-pentagon laison officer j fletcher prouty’s allegations re kennedy assassination, viet nam war, u-2 incident (shot down on eve of, and in prouty’s view precisely in order to sabotage , very hopeful peace negotiations between amicable eisenhauer and kruschev.) viet nam began as a cia covert operation til the military was called in, something kennedy was on record as wanting to end by ‘65.
his ‘73 book “the secret team” was completely “disappeared” from libraries and bookstores, prouty’s thought being the cia did NOT want this book’s info re modus operandi of the cia and its “secret team” exposed. i must say that much in this book about viet nam (and kennedy assassination in later book jfk) rings a bell re 911. perpetual war and profits for the mic. prouty spends a good deal of time explaining how the cia has warped and grown it’s original mission beyond all recognition. the legendary octopus.
SanderO Says:
One of the troubling aspects to drilling down into world changing events is that on the face it appears impossible that a single person or a small group of persons have so much leverage to change events.
If you consider how a false flag operation is staged, and the CIA is master at this sort of illusion, then you can begin to see how world changing events can be staged.
To accomplish this several components must be attended to. There is always a “patsy” or person, or group, or nation who the act can be pinned on which APPEARS to make sense. This provides cover for the perpetrators. This is exactly what criminals do when they plan a crime. They leaves clues pointing to another suspect whose alibi is not credible.
The act will inspire the existing government and media to have a knee jerk reaction and respond as intended. In the case of the Gulf of Tonkin, the congress authorized the entry of the US into the Vietnam war with the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution.
9/11 likewise was pinned on Al Qaeda who was described as hating our values, our democracy and were religious suicide killer/terrorists. The US rolled out the AMUF and off we went to two wars in the ME and out popped the USA PATRIOT act which has been in the oven for some time.
Everyone rallied around the flag, patriotism blinded all and fear was the free ticket to spend our money and spill our blood and let them take away our rights bit by bit. They being the government who claimed and thought they were protecting us from the terrible enemy. Our attacks only gave birth to more anti US sentiments in the ME who saw our occupation and attacks as ruthless and unwarranted. And we tortured them with impunity with the excuse that we were looking for intel. If we didn’t really have a problem before went into the ME, we created one for generations to come – hence we needed the military posture the claimed we needed. How clever.
The investigation of this treason is what needs to be done. Cui bono? Who had the means, motive and the opportunity? Does military intel ring a bell?
Kingfisher Says:
“If you consider how a false flag operation is staged, and the CIA is master at this sort of illusion, then you can begin to see how world changing events can be staged.”
@Sander,
Again, you have ventured into the realm of matters to which you have no understanding. You are prattling again.
cinderman Says:
Kingfisher… your are nothing but a troll… aka otherwise known as a bridge fixture. Don’t you have better things to do? Or don’t you have to make a living like the rest of us? Go back to your swampy mirth and hang out there, you’ll make yourself and the rest of world a better place! Obviously someone pays you to write such nonsense. I suggest you study some history, and get up to date with your illiteracy. You are a bore at best, and at least a bottom feeder that suckles on the whims of tidal flows.
SanderO Says:
I think Ms Edmonds among several others have shown convincing evidence that policy initiatives which are undertaken by extra government groups even when they are within the government – they act independently without oversight and with an agenda which is not part of official domocratic or even bureaucratic processes.
This can be as simple as some group bribing an official who then steers a policy, or as complex as a group who uses the apparatus of government for political objectives and personal gain. Lobbying groups such as AIPAC exert enormous influence on policy government and clearly have an agenda which is not that of the USA.
And then there is the revolving door which transports people within high government policy making and influencing positions including the military and the intel community to the corporate world whose agenda is profit. It may appear that Northrop Grumman, for example, is just doing what is in the best interest of the USA.
“…Northrop Grumman Corporation (NYSE: NOC) is an American aerospace and defense technology company formed by the 1994 purchase of Grumman by Northrop. The company was the fourth largest defense contractor in the world in 2008, and the largest builder of naval vessels. Northrop Grumman employs over 122,000 people worldwide.[5] Its 2007 annual revenue is reported at US$32 billion. Northrop Grumman ranks #76 on the 2008 Fortune 500 list of U.S. industrial companies….”
The purpose of this company is to make money and its products are weapons systems and their customers are the US government and any other they can market their weapons systems too. War is good for business for companies like Northrop Grumman, having a large military to police the world, to supply systems to even both sides in conflicts which they take no side on – their allegiance is to the profits of their shareholders.
This is perfectly normal, acceptable and completely legal under US law. So who are upper level management at these defense contractors? They are retired US top military brass.
Who benefits from war and militarism? The military and the defense contractors and of course the workers who are employed and exploited for profit.
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