Podcast Show #75

The Boiling Frogs Presents Philip Giraldi

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This is Part III of our interview series on the Makings of a Police State. You can listen to previous segments here.

Philip Giraldi joins us to discuss the recently passed National Defense Authorization Act-NDAA, the claim by the White House that it will only use this new power carefully and with due process, and contrasts that to the well-established trend of law enforcement and security agencies, which is to expand on powers granted, not to rein them in or limit them. He provides us with his assessment of the recent case of former CIA operative John Kiriakou, and discusses President Obama’s horrendous track record on civil liberties- broadening its definition of war powers, silencing critics and government whistleblowers through the repeated exploitation of the state-secrets privilege, abuses of National Security Letters, continuation of Guantanamo Prison, supporting numerous dubious terrorism prosecutions.

GiraldiPhilip Giraldi is a former CIA and DIA counter-terrorism officer, member of the American Conservative Defense Alliance, and contributing editor at The American Conservative magazine. He has a regular column, Smoke & Mirrors, at Antiwar.com.

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  1. Sibel and Peter – another great interview. So far I have not missed one, nor the video and podcast reports by James Corbett. They are all important in understanding and clarifying the actions of our “controllers”.Thanks for the efforts involved!

    In line with the Police State awareness, I would like to mention a book: “Every Man Dies Alone”, by Hans Fallada. It is a plodding story about the daily lives of a family in Berlin in early WWII – and how the people were bamboozled into accepting Nazi rule until it was impossible to make a move without being watched, impossible to not be a member of the party or donate money to it, giving up the children to the Nazi Youth programs etc. All of which, as you read it, you can see happening here, little by little (which is how it happened there). The story revolves around two elderly people who decide to do something to resist and make a difference. In a very non-sensational way it brings home the scary progression of steps that are going on here right now.

  2. @ Dennis Here here! All agree and moan…. thoughtfully…..and I must confess I listen to these recent interviews a few times once for pleasure and then the rest for notes and extra thinking, so interesting.

    And I have a student that wants to read a detective story and I was wondering how to teach the student about the in class news we read without dissolution and Fallada is going to be helpful.

    Share reading the book.
    Present the question.
    Look around rigt now.
    Read the news.
    Tell me…. what do you see?

    Education through … realisation

    thinking…

  3. @ hermaph: Thinking! What a novel idea. :-) That used to be the intent of a liberal arts education – to bring one to the place where you could think on your own and continue your education for – ever. Your students are fortunate. Keep on keeping on . . .

  4. If you’re wondering why Americans aren’t reacting to the police state, I believe it’s a multifaceted problem.

    Recently the Chinese have been rounding up more Tibetan monks, publicly parading them with placards around their necks and sending them off to prison. To those who cry police state, Americans are quick to point to issues like these, openly seen in more oppressive nations and for the most part absent here: extreme religious repression, mandatory curfews, state controlled media, high level censorship, and the rounding up and torture of political dissidents for expressing their beliefs. We don’t see tanks driving down the streets or regular kidnappings and killings the way we see in Mexico,for example, where the so-called war on drugs has claimed over 45,000 lives in around five years.

    I think it’s quite possible that we may one day be living under such conditions, as the groundwork is being quietly laid, meaning that, as has been pointed out, the press is complicit in not covering the disturbing issues at hand. But there’s also the political dimension. As everyone on the podcast rightly points out, “progressives” are ignoring Obama’s abuses of power. But much of the Right has also essentially demonized the OWS movement, rather than recognizing the shared interests around police state abuse, in spite of the other issues in which they part ways. Here we have ongoing actual physical police violence and citizen monitoring in the streets, but when it came to opposition movements, Giraldi only addressed the Tea Party and other unnamed civic organizations. It seems the Left is willing to give Obama a pass, just as the Right is content to watch (or ignore) dirty, discombobulated leftists and moderates get monitored, kicked, beaten, and maced.

    Finally, we are too dependent on the system itself. We all rely on the semi-functional corruption to feed, clothe, and in most cases, educate ourselves. We have established no real leverage, and it has not gotten to the point where people believe it is in their rational best interest to work for radical change. The American dream remains the most acceptable of our focuses, in spite of the dire warnings of civil libertarians or climate scientists. The parasites at the top, who do things in secret, have forged a mutually beneficial relationship with those of us who just don’t want to know what is going on.

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