Whose Government, Whose President, Whose “People”? – That’s the Real Question

peopleImmediately after my recent interview at RT I began to receive hate-filled and ignorance-ridden e-mails and comments regarding one of my comments. Here is that comment: “I rather call him Mr. Obama since he is not my president.” Oh, according to these ignoramuses, saying that made me disrespectful, out of touch with reality, Un-American, and much worse. 

Usually I don’t waste time and energy engaging in unending and unproductive communication. The blogosphere is filled with hollow discussions like that – really not even ‘discussions.’ More like getting wasted in a zombie-wonderland. In a way, it is a great benefit to the establishment- have people eat each other, spend their time and energy on trivial semantics, and lose sight of real ‘issues and discussions.’

However, I believe a certain aspect of this latest attack is worthy of a brief commentary post. I also believe it is good for me to get a few things straight on how I view and feel about certain things. Sure, as always, being straight about ‘things’ will royally anger some (bye-bye a few subscribers, twitter followers, and Facebook followers). And as surely, my strong stand on my views will garner support and strong nods from some (hello new subscribers, twitter followers and Facebook friends). Either way, by now, after so many years, you must know that I am neither after those kinds of approval or scandal-raising adversaries. I just say it as is- as I view and believe.

As most Americans are brought up to believe, as those first-generation immigrants were taught and told; one of our nation’s greatest marketing slogans has been the concept of a ‘Government of the People, by the People, for the People.’ It is a great notion. It is a wonderful concept. Yet, if you have a brain, eyes, ears, and a nose, you know it is a fantastical fantasy. Despite the marketing and mass ignorance, when push comes to shove, even the majority will tell you that this is not the case. They may not articulate and express it publicly, but hey, just check out the findings of hundreds of surveys out there, and see where the majority stands when it comes to viewing those in high offices and their trust and confidence in them- Congress, White House, and all the bureaucrats ‘up’ there. If I am not mistaken, for the last several years less than 25% have shown confidence or trust in the government.

I know, I am fully aware of the contradiction here: Yet, these same ‘people’ go out every other year and cast their vote for one of the two evils presented to them by the Evil-the-Grande establishment. They cast their vote knowing that neither evil will ever represent them. Then they come back and express their view on a congress that doesn’t represent them or stand for their interests, an executive that is working against their interests and is corrupt … It is a ludicrous and vicious cycle that keeps repeating itself.

The majority of the people in our nation do not feel responsible for the tens of thousands of civilian deaths (babies, nanas and pregnant mothers) due to our imperialistic wars. After all, they did not actually go out and kill them. According to them it is ‘THE’  government. And listen carefully, when they shrug it off as something they don’t have responsibility for or a part in, they say ‘THE’ government.’ They never say ‘MY’ government.

The majority of the people, if you were to ask them directly about sadistically torturing people, they would say it is not a good thing or that it is terrible, and that they wouldn’t engage in such practices. They would say ‘THE’ government or a ‘certain’ government evil is the responsible party in those sadistic mayhems.

The majority of our citizens would tell you that they did not have a say in a decision to bailout and reward big bad financial institutions with billions of their hard-earned dollars. They did not agree with it. They did not give their permission. It was ‘THE’ government or ‘THE’ president responsible for that awful deed.

I can list hundreds of examples. I can make the case with thousands of illustrations. In every case what we’ll witness is a notion of a government totally different than the one heavily advertised and marketed. It is ‘THE’ government: far from a “government of the people, by the people, for the people.” Same goes for the string-attached puppets placed in various nooks and crannies of this government.

I accept responsibility for the monstrosities committed by the government of my nation: I stand up and speak out against those actions. I fight against ‘it’. I fight ‘it’ for my nation, for me and for my people. It is my nation, but this is NOT my government; nor is Mr. Obama my president.

How about “People”: The People vs. My People

The next logical question in this discussion I am having here has to do with the notion of ‘people.’ What do we mean by ‘people’? What do ‘I’ mean? Are we talking about everyone? Are we referring to the majority? Whose people? Who do we consider our people?

Several hundred years ago people from different nations made their way to this country, where they intended to make it their home-their country. They used to have their countries.  They had one or another form of government. They had their ‘people’ as well. They did not perceive their home countries’ governments as ‘theirs.’ The kings aka governments did not represent them or their interests. Those governments were not theirs. Obviously the majority of ‘the people’ of their home countries were not ‘their people’ either. Those kings would not have continued to rule and hold on to their  crowns (seats) if the majority of the people there were ‘their people.’ If most people in their home countries were ‘their people’ then they wouldn’t have left their birth-home nations to come over here and make this back-then-new nation their nation.

You see, when the kings or governments are not “of the people by the people for the people” there are only two options: 1- Get rid of the kings-governments and replace them with real people’s representatives; 2- Get the hell out of there, and find a place that you can call your ‘home nation’, where you are not governed by ‘a king’ or ‘the government.’

Today, unlike 300+ years ago there seems to be no newly-discovered or colonized continent or country where one may have a chance for a new beginning with a environment conducive to establishing a liberties-oriented society. That option is out- not only for the lack of choices, but also for its short-time viability, as the current sad state of our nation proves.

That leaves option 1: Get rid of the kings-governments and replace them with real people’s representatives. Now, let me preempt my enemies with a couple of quotes from Thomas Jefferson:

“Every generation needs a new revolution.” – Thomas Jefferson

“The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure.” – Thomas Jefferson

“But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.” – Thomas Jefferson

Now, at this point, what happens when the majority of the people are not really ‘your people?’ Meaning: the majority are in the exact same position and mentality of the majority hundreds of years ago in the settlers’ home countries- willing to take sh.., living blindly and deafly and unfeelingly under the kings aka governments.

This is what I mean by going further and examining the notion of ‘people.’ There are ‘people’ or ‘the people’ and then there are ‘my people’ or ‘our people.’ Possibly one of our fallacies preventing putting our activism into real action-gear is this futile expectation of receiving support from the majority. Before I go any further let me preempt our enemies one more time with one of my all-time favorite quotes:

“It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people’s minds” – Samuel Adams

When I refer to ‘our people,’ ‘my people,’ I mean exactly that: the irate vigilant minority. Let’s get real and confess, and I go first:

Those who shrug off or even support our regime’s imperial pursuits costing hundreds of thousands of innocent lives are not ‘my’ people.

Those who condone incarceration without due process and sadistic torture practices in aptly-called black sites are not ‘my’ people.

Those who view our rape-like fondling in our nations’ airports as a necessary evil for some wrongly-perceived security are not ‘my’ people.

Those who see no violation in having the Stasi-Like government listening to and reading all our private communications and accept it are not ‘my’ people.

In short, I don’t naively subscribe to this too-generally-used notion of ‘the people.’ Don’t take me wrong. I am still for speaking out, informing, and help educating people. I am not giving up on our responsibility to ‘inform.’ In fact, it is not the ‘uninformed,’ but the ‘Accepting-Informed’ people who I really have a problem with. As indicated by the homepage of our website here at Boiling Frogs Post, our hope for future realistically depends on the truly vigilant irate minority.

Now that I have clarified the notion of ‘whose government, whose president, and whose people’ from my standpoint, I have a final message for the ignorant attackers who have taken issue with my statement on the US presidency:

If you believe in and respect the United States Constitution- Bill of Rights, if you are pro liberties, if you believe in the sanctity of human life, if you have any respect for human rights, if you consider sadistic torture a crime against humanity (with no ifs or buts), then, you do not consider this government yours, and that includes all the criminal entities heading it-in action or symbolically. If you do, then you are not a believer, and you are not part of ‘my people.’

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Sibel Edmonds is the Publisher & Editor of Boiling Frogs Post, Founder of National Security Whistleblowers Coalition and the author of the Memoir Classified Woman: The Sibel Edmonds Story. She is the recipient of the 2006 PEN Newman’s Own First Amendment Award for her “commitment to preserving the free flow of information in the United States in a time of growing international isolation and increasing government secrecy” Ms. Edmonds has a MA in Public Policy and International Commerce from George Mason University, a BA in Criminal Justice and Psychology from George Washington University.


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  1. Sibel,

    I actually have voted many times and none of the candidates I cast my vote for have been elected.

    I was born in this country and don’t approve of the policies of the POTUS. But as a citizen he is the president. I don’t waste my breath saying he’s not my president. That’s simply sounding like a child who doesn’t like the outcome and doesn’t accept it…. and then goes to say that if the outcome were different… than it WOULD/COULD be your president.

    Elections are largely a sham… but if you accept the system it’s one of the few ways to register how you feel… aside from letters to the editor, participating in protests, commenting on blogs or writing articles. If you don’t express your views… then others don’t see them and you are invisible and never counted.

    Your advocacy is clear. Your views will be unpopular with some or many. But let’s hope that your right to express them will not be abridged.

    We clearly need some sort of action plan aside from exposing the rot, corruption, dishonesty, torture and so on. That’s a necessary first step. But without an action plan on how to make this or any system act *properly* we fall short and momentum keeps the status quo going.

    Frankly, when I head you say Obama is not my president… I cringed a bit. This is a majority rules game. When you lose… you either accept the outcome or you take your marbles home. But in so doing the later, you give the appearance of being a spoil sport to many. Probably better to simply say your didn’t vote for him and you don’t support his policies.

  2. Thanks for this well explained answer to “Love it or leave it”. You have hit the nail on the head. We need to turn this phrase right back on the “Accepting Informed” (AI), even more than the ignorant, it seems.

    The AI are the real problem when it comes to lesser-evil voting. If it weren’t for all those who parrot the line about wasting votes, the ignorant would have a much easier time being informed and would probably vote their conscience. It is these educated do-gooder wannabes, (who don’t necessarily want to do good; they just want to rationalize their failure and cowardice) who are the most powerful cause of apathy and ignorance. The AI who do the most harm, by making it okay to give up, give in, and go along to get along.

    Now, maybe narrow it down to a few of those AI who are exceptionally informed, the AEI (where have I seen that acronym before?) Let’s narrow it down to some of the leadership. Those supposed anti-war, anti-establishment, anti-police state actors with clout and a big megaphone. The ones who, when it really counts, cut and run. But not only that. They switch sides.

    I think it may be worthwhile to continue to focus on the leaders of the AEI people and try to deconstruct their false rationalizations, call them out, try to convert them or heal them, or get them to admit which side they are really on. Because, if we can use our resources wisely, we can target some keystone AEI with laser like precision.

    I feel the same way about keystone crimes and criminals (such as those exposed/named by Sibel), keystone secrets and information (flight 93), but I think we should include the keystone AEI. Maybe the most efficient use of our time and energy. Is this a worthwhile strategy, while we wait for more whistles to be blown? A couple names of AEI come to mind. Ones who not only campaigned for Obama, but complained about the release of Classified Woman.

  3. I’m rather tired of seeing quotes from Thomas Jefferson or any of the *founding fathers*. They were all slave owners. Please don’t quote them as authorities on *right conduct*.

    I understand the logic or such references… Hey look.. the foundation father TJ gave us permission to stage a violent revolution if they mess with our democracy. He was a SLAVE OWNER… how can anyone who treats another as a slave be quoted on any moral or ethical position?

    And further.. the notion of patriotism is morally bankrupt. It is the foundation for among other things… American Exceptionalism… racism… xenophobia… and what justifies the US in killing others who happen to live in another country run by an insane madman. It was patriotism which energized the development of the A bomb and motivated the delivery of it killing 250,000 innocent people.

    I say… F*ck patriotism… and libertarianism the epitome of selfishness and xewnophobia…

  4. Xicha,
    You are not naive… the public “discourse” is a huge PR campaign to poison the minds of a dumbed down population.
    You tell us how to get to the already dumb and poisoned minds so that they can act in their own self interest and that of their neighbors… that is… in the interest of humanity not self which is how America is defined… private property and protection there of.
    It’s all about competition right? Best man WINS! WIN WIN WIN… if not you’re a left behind loser.

  5. I’m not American, so I don’t need to think on whether Obama is or isn’t my President. That being said, I side with Sander. And to be honest, if I were American, I would have voted for him, twice. The opposing side was worse both times in my view. I would rather have had someone like Dennis Kucinish, but I don’t think that’ll be happening any time soon. Anyway, I hope you still consider me your people Sibel, I loved your book and I’ve even created a thread in your name in a political forum that I’m in (it was largely ignored, but I tried -.-).

  6. Sibel, Your probably as disappointed with some of comments here as much as with those from your interview. I understand exactly where your coming from, thanks for trying to explain it to everyone. Some folks will never accept the idea though. The “my country love it or leave it” is a well taught and almost subconscious axiom. Saying “he’s not my president” is to some like saying “it’s not my country”. No matter how you explain it, some folks just aren’t thinking. they are reacting/feeling IMO. What your saying is very clear and many on the left had no problem saying the same when Bush was president. Chanting it even “Not my president, not my war”. Those that come from a more right perspective , well the more radical brands had no problem saying it when Clinton was president, and what’s all this about secession all of a sudden i wonder.
    Many probably wouldn’t have had such a hot knee jerk reaction if you had said. “he’s THE president but not MY president.” But hey i could be wrong, to many that’d probably sound like treason or racist or whatever as well.

    Sibel, Thanks for being real, thanks for being honest, thanks for not disappearing or giving up, thanks for boiling frogs
    and may your tribe increase.

  7. @Scott75:

    Your strategy isn’t working. The candidates are getting worse. Why would any of the candidates make any change for the better, if they can rely on your scared vote (if you were an American)?

    They want us to say what you just said. And the more that informed people say it, the less the establishment needs to. You are doing their dirty work. Seems like every person I’ve ever talked to, who voted for Obama, wanted someone like Kucinich. The majority wants someone like Kucinich or Paul, but everyone is parroting the fear mentality, without thinking about its logical conclusion.

  8. BTW, neither Bush nor Obama are “my” presidents either.
    …annd…
    keep quoting those founding fathers too, they may not have lived out all they promoted but they had a clarity about gov’t that most Americans (the world) need to reclaim and embrace.
    thanks for being an American Sibel.

  9. “Many probably wouldn’t have had such a hot knee jerk reaction if you had said. “he’s THE president but not MY president.”

    That’s a good point. I’m Canadian, so I have a Prime Minister instead of a President, but I definitely wouldn’t say that he’s “my” Prime Minister. Ofcourse, I voted against him when I was here to do so, and barring some of the alternatives getting considerably worse, I’d do so again. Even if I were American though, and had voted for Obama, I definitely wouldn’t want to call him “my” president. “Our” president, fine, but not “mine”. As to Bush, I’d say he got in by voter fraud, both times.. he’d still be the president, but not because of the electorate. Incidentally, in the thread I created on Sibel Edmonds, it was titled “Sibel Edmonds vs. Despotism”, in a nod to her conclusion in the documentary on Sibel “Kill The Messenger”. I think that Obama is one of the better people in the despotism that is slowly wrapping its tendrils in the U.S. and most other places in the world, but he’s still a part of that system. I also believe that things will only change when people realize that the most dangerous enemy to their freedoms isn’t some over hyped foreign threat, but domestic powers within the U.S. itself, who are slowly legislating away those freedoms.

  10. **
    @Scott75:
    Your strategy isn’t working. The candidates are getting worse. Why would any of the candidates make any change for the better, if they can rely on your scared vote (if you were an American)?
    They want us to say what you just said.
    **

    On that part, I agree, but I think that they’re actually right on this point. However, they -don’t- want me to say other things I’ve said. Check out the conspiracy section in debatepolitics.com, I’m phoenyx there.

    **
    And the more that informed people say it, the less the establishment needs to. You are doing their dirty work. Seems like every person I’ve ever talked to, who voted for Obama, wanted someone like Kucinich. The majority wants someone like Kucinich or Paul, but everyone is parroting the fear mentality, without thinking about its logical conclusion.
    **

    I would have voted for Kucinich in the primaries, but after that he was no longer on the ballot for the Democratic party. But to be honest with you, I don’t think that politics beings and ends with voting for politicians. For me, I struggle almost daily in forums to persuade people that they’re getting the wool put over their eyes time and again. Sometimes, I feel like I’m wasting my time, but something keeps on bringing me back to try again.

  11. avereye wrote:
    “keep quoting those founding fathers too, they may not have lived out all they promoted but they had a clarity about gov’t that most Americans (the world) need to reclaim and embrace.
    thanks for being an American Sibel.”

    Amen.

  12. Avrye,
    Sibel is an adult. She is a human and she is fallible and sometimes… imagine that… she says or does something wrong or dumb. I understand her sentiment. I honor and respect her for (not) having been inside the national security state and telling the truth about what she witnessed. She did the correct and sadly courageous thing. What she did she be normal. That tells us more about how effed up our nation is, and its values than it does about her.

    She’s paid a price for doing the right thing. You usually do. She’s gone on to try to let us know… and that was another courageous thing by writing and self publishing her book and publishing BF. Sibel is not the only one in this nation whose hair is on fire (don’t you love this phrase???)

    She came to this country and became a US citizen. She adopted a country that sucks. Frankly I don’t know why she remains… even in Bend. I suppose because she wants to see things change. And this is like millions of people who see the rot and suffer. Some protest… some say nothing. We don’t seem to have an effective mechanism for having the grievances she identifies addressed. She doesn’t offer any solutions either. She not alone in that. Many critics don’t either. Many identify the rot… write brilliant critiques and nothing is happening (yet)

    I would be creeped out by being with a bunch of ex *spies* or have seen the error of their ways or the system they embraced and supported with their work. OK admittedly better than being with a bunch of present spied who support the state..

    If you don’t approve of this government do you pay taxes? How do you advocate to legally right the wrongs? Isn’t advocating overthrow of the US government treason? How do you fix something which appears to be unfixable?

  13. SandrO
    “if you don’t like the country you can leave..”
    Just kidding.
    the 1st step in solving a problem is realizing there is one. Sibel has gone on a journey that has clarified and documented the problem(s) for many to see clearly. That’s huge. and added to the chorus of truth that stands against the propaganda.
    As far as a fix goes. well that’s another story.
    one thing i’ve become fairly convinced about though is that laying down, voting for the status quo, not calling congress men , etc. is NOT the way to go. it’s weird but “they” are not in full control “they” want us to agree with their BS. if enough or the right ones don’t it throws a monkey wrench in the system. I think we underestimate our own power and it remains to be seen “what can be done”. Our biggest obstacles are not the 1% or the elites politicians but our “unawake” and “lesser of 2 evil supporting” neighbors and friends that go along with the elites programs because they’re ‘not as bad as we describe’ or ‘better than the other “real” choices’.

    There’s no utopia around the corner but, going along to get along has taken us farther away from freedom and peace than most would like to admit.

    We’ve got to live somewhere and at least America SAYS that’s it’s about freedom and has, in fits and starts, striven toward it. Heck some eastern block countries were communist dictatorships, they changed some peacfully. don’t count the U.S. out. there are no guarantees unless we all just lay down and line up with program.

    btw you don’t seem have a problem complaining about stuff you don’t like on this site, somehow you keep trying to correct others here. Maybe point that at the gov’t. join the chorus. “they” say it does no good. I’m not so sure.

  14. Maybe what’s happening is that the American Rule of Law and the institutions that comprise the short history of the country that gave it success, are now considered to be encumbrances to the next stage of economic life. Extraction.

    The presidents are being made ridiculous, each one is worse than the last one, BJ southern skink, Awol from light duty, total pc o crap, and now, this dude,

    Remember when GHWB selected a half wit for VP? that was a tell, he was getting the place ready for the brat, prepping the way for lessor expectations.

    Oh some will think it is such progress that the first negroe finally got the top job, well, sorry Charlie, the job just got downsized to a point where … well,

    The President is being eroded and made less and congress and the SC too, so the international criminals can come in and have a free hand extracting, even more than they can do now!!

  15. Averye,
    I do lots of critiquing… but I offer praise as well. I wouldn’t be adding comments to BF if I didn’t believe even my negative comments could have some sort of positive impact. Sibel has done the right thing and the fact that she does ANYTHING is laudable. I will support her in any way I can in her efforts… as I do other activists. But I don’t have to agree with everything people who I support say. Why should I? And why shouldn’t I voice my opinions about things? As long as the discussion is civil… why not?

  16. Dear Sibel,
    I love your fighting spirit! Stay true to the cause! You are on the right course!

  17. avatar Mgrdichian says:

    It’s not always “what” you say, but “how” you say it that matters, especially if getting people to think is part of your agenda.

  18. avatar flogchopsuey says:

    As quoted in the article above:
    “It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people’s minds” – Samuel Adams

    No one can doubt the ability of Ms. Edmonds to set a fire. I am now forced to ask myself a new question. I had considered myself to be properly in the spirit of questioning my government, and working for the education and betterment of society. Ms. Edmonds has cast my commitment to this cause into doubt. I’ll grant that my view of membership in society is affected by having grown up overseas; this affected my view of us and them, my people and not my people. At a young age, perhaps out of idealism, perhaps out of foolishness, I accepted that all people were the earth’s people. Now, if I have read correctly, I must decide on whether I am one of Ms. Edmonds people or not, and must renounce the government and elected president of my citizenship in order to be in the good graces of the cause as she sees it. At the same time, as I have understood so far, it is considered reasonable by her to accept responsibility for what a criminal government has done and continues to do. While I ponder this momentous decision, let me share some thoughts that inform my world and motivated me join in her company in the first place.
    The torch of empire was passed from the Romans to the Ottomans, from the Spaniards to the British, and probably will be passed from the US to whoever will be next. The emperor, president, king, ceasar, tsar, fuehrer, popular or not, as a phenomenon, as friend or foe, is as much ours as we are theirs. In the grand scale of things with each breath I am re-married to this tragic and awesome dance to the death.

    The new global society that is taking shape was not invented by the nation state or its predecessor the dynastic systems, not created by any king or president. It has been an organic movement, made possible by technology and communication. Other great turning points in human civilization such as the invention of electricity or the printing press also were not politically derived. When humans make the leap to post imperial institutions, it will not have been planned by those who define their world in terms of insiders and outsiders. It is in this context in which we now live, in which an information war is being waged, in which state players and non-state players act on a single field.

    Those who insist on ideological purity rather than tying their cart to the inevitable progression of history will tend to be footnotes to history. Speaking of us and them, emphasizing a battle line, saying who is in and who is out, this is part of a paradigm that is part of the problem. Chosen people. The saved and the unsaved. Absolutes in an absolute world. If this is the result, then the winners of any revolution will be the same as the rulers we have now, as has always been the case in exclusive societies. The greatest leaders, such as Dr. King and Gandhi were includers, not excluders. They took responsibility AND ownership, not one without the other, thus including themselves and their followers at all levels, knowing that even enemies were joined at the hip. Can we hold the high ground and not lose the burning memory of outrage that motivated us to join this cause? Or will the pain we have borne from our transgressors be named as absolute evil and transform us into hardened duplicates of those who harmed us?
    In this spirit, I will contemplate Ms. Edmonds article.
    How can criminals like Bush and Obama be my presidents? Then would Hitler and Saddam also be my dictators, Stalin and Castro my comrades? I am torn. I will continue this line of thought in another comment (if permitted), on a different day. Thank you again, Ms. Edmonds, for lighting a fire.

  19. As a Canadian, I couldn’t care less if someone says “Harper is not my Prime Minister” regardless of how I feel about the guy. This “standing by your man (President)”, like him or love him, seems to be an American phenomenon. I also remember Ed (the phony Lib) Schultz going off on Jeremy Scahill for exactly the same thing. I admire Sibel for standing by her principals and telling people that don’t like it to get stuffed.

  20. Well, I have to say more power to Sibel. She has every right to say Obama is not her President, especially when one examines what he has done, i.e., how he has exercised his presidential authority, how it has derailed the democratic process and made all of us less secure against the excesses of government, how it has undermined the rule of international law, with our nation continuing to wreak havoc on the innocents of other countries in overt and clandestine wars of aggression, and how he has let those criminals and criminal enterprises that have stolen trillions from the economy get away with it for no more than pennies on the dollar, while the rest of us have had to bear the cost of it all. So, who cares if he may have been the “lesser of two evils”, as his campaign counted on us believing, and who cares that he was elected again? In the end, how else can one judge him and the legitimacy of his presidency, except on his record?

    Sibel put her faith in the system- our constitutional system- with its rule of law and ideal of justice, and she followed the law at every stage of the way. She performed exceptional service to the nation when she was at the Bureau, she witnessed serious criminality, and after discovering it, she reported it and sought to have it acknowledged and corrected, and to have the wrongdoers held accountable. And, when every avenue was closed to her because the system had been obstructed and corrupted- whether at the Bureau, the Justice Department, Congress, or the courts- she never took ‘no’ for an answer. It simply wasn’t in the cards- and that was because it wasn’t what the Constitution said or was supposed to mean.

    This type of moral integrity and commitment to the law is an inspiration. It tells us that truth matters, that honesty matters, that humanity matters, and that the law matters- no ifs, ands or buts. Most of us would not have had the strength to go even part of the way, and, certainly, most of us have made compromises in our life just to survive, but when one sees a person of such character and integrity doing the right thing and at such personal cost, it speaks volumes, and it is what makes one want to do better.

    So, in my book Sibel has every right to say Obama is not her President, and, furthermore, to say it to the President himself. And, when it’s all said and done, how could he himself not hear it? After all in 2008, Michelle said “ “People in this country are ready for change and hungry for a different kind of politics and … for the first time in my adult life I am proud of my country because it feels like hope is finally making a comeback.” Now she happened to be wrong, though not for openly questioning the integrity of the system, but for having thought her husband would turn out to be different or that hope that was meaningful had made a comeback.

    Yet, we all have the ability to change, and Obama has the opportunity and more freedom now to alter course if he wants to fix what’s broken and redeem his presidency, but until he does, in my book he won’t rate, and the country and the world will remain in a mess, unless people demand better, and don’t take ‘no’ for an answer.

  21. @flogchopsuey:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance

    It’s a natural part of learning. I think you are expressing it very honestly.

  22. flogchopsuey wrote:
    “They took responsibility AND ownership, not one without the other, thus including themselves and their followers at all levels, knowing that even enemies were joined at the hip. Can we hold the high ground and not lose the burning memory of outrage that motivated us to join this cause? Or will the pain we have borne from our transgressors be named as absolute evil and transform us into hardened duplicates of those who harmed us?
    In this spirit, I will contemplate Ms. Edmonds article.”

    Perhaps the answer is somewhere in between. I certainly believe that we shouldn’t focus our energy on everyone in the same manner. What I mean is that there are some people who will refuse to believe that the government could be doing many of the things it’s actually doing, the types of things that Sibel Edmonds has uncovered in her book and mentions in the video that this post is about. We can certainly give them -some- time, but I think that we need to focus -more- time on people who agree with us. We have suffered much for trying to tell the truth to those who are reluctant or downright refuse to be informed, and we need time with other like minded individuals to recuperate. Becoming hardened duplicates of those who have harmed us won’t accomplish anything, but we in essence need to have 2 sides to us: one with the outside world, where we definitely have to have a thick skin, and the other with our friends.

    I decided I should once again tackle the issue of Obama; I certainly believe that Obama was chosen by “the powers that be” (I actually heard an audio tape played in a video with Alex Jones that has the voice of someone who sounds strikingly like Obama describing those who thwarted Ron Paul’s campaign as “the powers that be”) to lead the Democratic Party. That being said, it’s clear that he himself was hardly born into the lap of luxury. And I’d like to believe that his “Obama Care” was actually an attempt on his part to address the system failures that led to his own mother’s death. I think it does a bad job of it, but attempting something and accomplishing it are frequently too very different things. In the end, this is how I feel about Obama; that he -wants- to do good things, it’s just that he doesn’t really understand how he can do that. I remember his attempt at shutting down Guantanamo Bay, only to be thwarted by congress. I remember him saying that he didn’t -like- bailing out the banks, but he thought that there was no other way to save the system (there was: nationalizing the banks).

    I remember 9/11 widow Beverly Eckert trying to reach him and perhaps succeeding, and then dying in alleged plane crash that I’m highly suspicious about.. it makes me think that perhaps Obama himself is being manipulated to some extent. Like Luke Skywalker hoping that his father will realize his mistakes up until the very end, I just can’t give up on Obama.

  23. I just wanted to add that we owe a debt of gratitude to Abby Martin and her program, Breaking the Set. What a great program it is turning out to be!

    Thanks, Abby!!!

  24. Tis discussion raises interesting ideas… important ones. We at BF all honor and support Sibel for what she did and is doing by not shrinking away and being intimidated by the system. That takes personal strength and even financial resources to wage this noble struggle.

    The issue which I find most salient here is what is the vision of the future in this land? Is it one where we, the people tweak the constitution and the laws and so forth and re form society in a sort of perfected or revised USA?… a collection of 50 states with their own laws and then local counties and cities and so forth with their laws? Or do we toss this out… take the sound principles and construct a new society AND government to manage it.

    You can’t have a society or order without some form of government and laws and principles which support the laws. What ARE the principles we would like to see go forward? And of course how do we even get to the point of abandoning the failed American experiment and standing up the next one?

    Top down structures seem to breed corruption. Representative governments with elections and so forth seem to invite corruption. Is there a way to have a government which is not abusive of the governed?

    I have written many times about the many excellent articles critquing this culture and this government. Glenn Greenwald, Chris Hedges and others. We need to begin to move to ACTION plans even if it is mass resistance and non participation in the system. The statement Obama is not my president may be beating around the Bush… is this code for this is not my government? Or I don’t approve of the US form of government as it exists? Is this a coded statement for anarchist beliefs? What is being advocated by this statement. I despise almost all of what Obama does and says. But I wouldn’t expect ANYONE in that office to be measurably different.

    Do you?

  25. SanderO writes:
    “I despise almost all of what Obama does and says. But I wouldn’t expect ANYONE in that office to be measurably different. Do you?”

    Not while the powers that be decide who the candidates for the 2 major parties are, no. I think Obama has -tried- to do a lot of good things, as I mentioned previously, but as all his good initiatives can be blocked or watered down sufficiently, I’m sure the powers that be will be fine with the remainder of his presidency.

    I yearn for a president like Andrew Jackson. He was one of the few presidents that recognized the danger of the concentration of power in private hands, in his case, the banks. He managed to get rid of the central banking system of the time, and it wasn’t until President Theodore Roosevelt came into power that a new central banking scheme was hatched, today’s Federal Reserve.

  26. flogchopsuey said:
    “Those who insist on ideological purity rather than tying their cart to the inevitable progression of history will tend to be footnotes to history.”

    Women didn’t vote themselves the right to vote.

  27. @Xicha, that’s true, but I imagine that progressive men who -could- vote voted for people who were more amenable to women voting. Women, ofcourse, also marched on the streets to get the vote as well. As mentioned previously, I think that, unless all the candidates are truly awful (no, I still don’t think Obama is truly awful), one should vote for the best of the bunch, but one shouldn’t stop there. Voting to me really isn’t the most important thing. To be honest, I’d rather have someone like Sibel Edmonds, regardless of whether she votes for any politician into the indefinite future but who is active posting blogs, and talking to alternative media outlets, saying what’s wrong with society in an effort to wake up many of the dormant masses to the political problems we currently face.

  28. It was also third party support that influenced the debate. So, even though the Liberty Party didn’t WIN, those who supported it made a difference. It wasn’t go along to get along and it wasn’t “a footnote in history”.

    I don’t think you know Obama, if you think he’s not that bad. Please read the many articles at Boiling Frogs Post, regarding this terrible war criminal, police state dictator.

  29. Obama has proven to be truly awful… and if he wasn’t when he decided to be the front for the do nothing democrats… he became awful the minute he was sworn in and began to exercise his *power*.

    He has killed more children with drones than were killed in Newtown… 21 in one drone strike.

    Obama is doing what he does and who knows why? Does he have a gun to his head? Are his children threatened? Is he blackmailed? Or is he a liar and a sham who promised change and delivered none. Remember no lobbyists in the white house? Do you know who engineered Obama care? Look it up… a lobbyist from Pharma and a woman to boot.

    There is evidence that the two party system is only part of the problem. The problem is so broad and deep that focusing on one thing is avoiding all the others. Media consolidation… media ownership… fractional reserve banking… derivative financial instruments… a tax system which is unfair and allows the wealthy to pay no taxes…. A health care system based on profits… A sham election process flooded with money… the presence of corporate lobbyists… and the excessive influence of think tanks… the list goes on and on and on… Corporate thievery…

    What’s to like?

    Freedom of speech? Don’t forget $ = free speech… more $ = more free speech. Speedy trial? Tell that to Bradley Manning.

    Equal justice for all….. Why does the military have their own justice system?

  30. Xicha writes:
    “It was also third party support that influenced the debate. So, even though the Liberty Party didn’t WIN, those who supported it made a difference. It wasn’t go along to get along and it wasn’t “a footnote in history”.”

    I can certainly agree to that.

    Xicha writes:
    “I don’t think you know Obama, if you think he’s not that bad. Please read the many articles at Boiling Frogs Post, regarding this terrible war criminal, police state dictator.”

    I looked briefly, but nothing sprung up. If you’d like to point me to any particular post, please do. I saw today’s cartoon of him and I’ve seen others, but again, is Obama really behind the wheel here? If not, then he’s hardly the only one who’s been fooled into thinking that extrajudicial killings should be sanctioned.

  31. Hi Scott75,

    Here’s a search URL that returns a bunch of results for BFP articles which include “Obama”.

    https://startpage.com/do/search?query=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.boilingfrogspost.com%3A+obama&cat=web&pl=chrome&language=english

    I wonder if you have heard anyone speak about Obama’s record with whistle blowers. Have you heard of NDAA? Have you heard the term “Drone King”? How about telecom immunity? The list goes on and on and on…

  32. “…is Obama really behind the wheel here? If not, then he’s hardly the only one who’s been fooled into thinking that extrajudicial killings should be sanctioned.”

    Is that what “not that bad” means to you?

  33. SanderO writes:
    “Obama has proven to be truly awful… and if he wasn’t when he decided to be the front for the do nothing democrats… he became awful the minute he was sworn in and began to exercise his *power*.
    He has killed more children with drones than were killed in Newtown… 21 in one drone strike.”

    I think it’s a bit of a stretch to say that Obama killed those children. I just read an article in the New York Times regarding Obama and drone attacks, and to be sure, statements like “During the Bush administration, there was an American drone attack in Pakistan every 43 days; during the first two years of the Obama administration, there was a drone strike there every four days” don’t exactly cast him as a war dove. That being said, drone warfare was in its infancy during the Bush years, so that may have played a role as well. I just read the introduction in the book “L’Affaire Petraeus”, and it seems clear to me that the wish for more drones comes from former CIA director David Petraeus and both Bush and Obama simply trusted his judgement that they are a good way to wage war.

    SanderO writes:
    “Obama is doing what he does and who knows why? Does he have a gun to his head? Are his children threatened? Is he blackmailed? Or is he a liar and a sham who promised change and delivered none.”

    I don’t think that any of those possibilities is the true answer. Now I’m the first to admit that I’m interested in answers to certain questions; his family’s alleged involvement with the CIA, for example. I just found an article on the subject here, and have begun to read it:
    http://www.infowars.com/bombshell-barack-obama-conclusively-outed-as-cia-creation/

    I certainly believe that a lot of shady things have happened at the CIA, but then Valeria Plame worked at the CIA for some time as well, and most agree that she’s a good person.

    I just found another article regarding Obama’s family that I thought was rather interesting as well:
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2137489/Barack-Obamas-mother-Ann-Dunham-secretly-contact-father-childhood.html

    I think one thing is for sure, there were certainly a fair amount of secrets in the Obama family.

    SanderO writes:
    “Remember no lobbyists in the white house? Do you know who engineered Obama care? Look it up… a lobbyist from Pharma and a woman to boot.”

    I have heard that one of the reasons that Obama was so adamant about creating a health care plan for everyone is because of what he felt was a system failure in the case of the final years for his own mother’s health. Given this, it may stand to reason that a woman would be the one to write up the plan that he went for.

    SanderO writes:
    “There is evidence that the two party system is only part of the problem. The problem is so broad and deep that focusing on one thing is avoiding all the others. Media consolidation… media ownership… fractional reserve banking… derivative financial instruments… a tax system which is unfair and allows the wealthy to pay no taxes…. A health care system based on profits… A sham election process flooded with money… the presence of corporate lobbyists… and the excessive influence of think tanks… the list goes on and on and on… Corporate thievery…
    What’s to like?
    Freedom of speech? Don’t forget $ = free speech… more $ = more free speech. Speedy trial? Tell that to Bradley Manning.
    Equal justice for all….. Why does the military have their own justice system?”

    All good points and questions. All I’m really saying is that while there are many problems, I don’t see Obama as that terrible; I see him as a product of his times.

  34. Scott,

    I think you fail to understand that to rise within the system you have had to sell out. Especially since the assassination of JFK… no one is going too far who is not acceptable. We have a few outliers like Denis Kucinich who has no power and no one from the mainstream takes seriously.

    People wanted to believe Obama would represent the people and understand the laws as supposedly a constitutional scholar and community organizer. But he was really just a trojan horse who could talk the talk but either caved when the going got tough or it was part of the strategy all along. We’ll never know. He disappointed a lot of people with the *change we can believe in*. He’s effectively a republican and has abandoned labor… abandoned his own black people… let many be executed in prison… not stood up to the gun people… and did the surge in case you have forgotten right after he accept the Nobel Peace prize. What a disgrace that was.

    We could have had worse and we did with GWB, GHWB and so forth. Clinton was another fast talker who was republican light… Look at their stand on Palestine? These executives are disgusting on human rights… no ifs ands or buts.

    He’s our president and he fits into the mold of *acceptable* presidents of a neo feudal proto fascist fig leaf democracy. If you can’t see him as part of the problem than you are wearing blinders.

  35. avatar jcarbonneau says:

    Neither this man, or frankly any of the men who were President spoke for my interests. I don’t have a problem with anyone saying this man isn’t their President. My President is my family and friends who I have undying love and respect for. My friends and family don’t order drone attacks killing innocent people.
    My family and friends don’t take bribes from the big banks so they can make risky investments, and if they don’t pay off, they get bailed out.
    I could go on and on. The idea that this man has the levers of control over an economy in which over 300 million people conduct transactions with like minded people, and that one man can control this, and regulate it should scare the crap out of people.
    Finally, let’s add some fuel to the fire. How many of you here pledge alligence to the Flag? I don’t, and never will. Pledge to an object? Seriously?? I’ll pledge to the idea of leaving people alone to conduct their own lives, and leave them alone to persue their dreams without me putting up laws and barriers to prohibit them for doing so. Besides, the Pledge was written by a raving socialist who wanted Americans to copy Europeans on pledging their alligence to the state.
    Oh, the author of the Pledge is Francis Bellamy! Google him, and read all about him!!

  36. “Hi Scott75,
    Here’s a search URL that returns a bunch of results for BFP articles which include “Obama”.
    https://startpage.com/do/search?query=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.boilingfrogspost.com%3A+obama&cat=web&pl=chrome&language=english

    Took a look at them, and you’re certainly right that they criticize Obama a fair amount. That being said, I stand by my assertion that Obama is simply a cog in a wheel, and I don’t think he’s the worst of the bunch by far. Regarding the Obama administration, and the rest of the political structure though, articles like this one are what frighten me the most:
    http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2012/11/30/obama-wants-state-sponsored-murder-legalized/#more-17429

    It is, in my view, the end game in the war on terror; then those who resist the encroaching police state (and I have a feeling it won’t just be the U.S.) are labelled “terrorists”, we will have entered a dictatorship in everything but name.

    This being said, I think that we should try to do what Beverly Eckert did- try to reason with Obama. If we assume for a moment that the commercial plane that was carrying her crashed straight into a house wasn’t just a freak accident but an assassination, the only thing left to determine is, who ordered the hit? The most sinister might want to point the finger at Obama, but what if it was someone who didn’t want her influencing the president? After doing some more reading on Obama, I wonder if this is the key to it all; he generally seems to sincere not as an act but because he really does believe what he says, and the real problem is being able to reach him instead of many of those around him, who I generally distrust much more.

    “I wonder if you have heard anyone speak about Obama’s record with whistle blowers. Have you heard of NDAA? Have you heard the term “Drone King”? How about telecom immunity? The list goes on and on and on…”

    As mentioned previously, I know that since Obama has entered office, the amount of drone attacks has increased around 10 fold, and I know that he decided to essentially legalize formally illegal wire tapping. As to NDAA, are you referring to the National Defense Authorization Act? If not, please specify what your acronym refers to.

  37. Xicha Says:
    “…is Obama really behind the wheel here? If not, then he’s hardly the only one who’s been fooled into thinking that extrajudicial killings should be sanctioned.”

    Is that what “not that bad” means to you?

    Yes. I don’t know what you think of 9/11, but aside from reading “My Pet Goat” when 9/11 was rolling, Bush seems to have played a rather personal role in silencing those who disagreed with the official story:
    http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?read=117840

  38. Speaking of pledge of Allegiance… when I was a young lad on 190th grade… back in I think 1962 or so… they added the words *under god* to the pledge of allegiance in 1954 when I was 7.

    The Vietnam war was getting going and we were told about dominos falling and I decided not to stand and recite the pledge with the other students in the class. I was sent to the principals office.. lectured to and my mother called and told that I was suspended or something. Word got out and the NY Times actually published an article about it and as 10th grader I received hate mail! How cool was that!

    By the time I was in college the draft was on and I was about to burn my draft card when they decided to do a lottery… and I did not have to go. I would have fled to Canada, but get to stay here and protest the war. I was in college when Kent State occurred.

    It’s only gotten worse since then.

  39. Bush was itching to be a war pres and prove he could do better than his father. He was an empty suit and a Manchurian candidate. He was not in control of the executive branch and barely could conduct a press conference if you recall. He was too dumb to be involved in planning ANY conspiracy. Look at his face when they told him what happened. He was clearly not in control and wondering if someone was.

    GWB was surrounded by Neocons and nasties like Cheney, Rummy, Fief, Meyers, Perle, Wolfi… the list is endless. This was a virtual right wing coup. They stole the election and grabbed as much as they could. They likely let 911 happen so they could go war crazy and pump money to their buds in the MIC like there was no tomorrow.

    No one will challenge the DOD or the CIA which are untouchable and have free reign and access to whatever they want and laws mean nothing to them. That began in 1963.

  40. SanderO says:
    Scott,
    I think you fail to understand that to rise within the system you have had to sell out.

    I’m not sure that you have to “sell out” per se. I think it’s more that you have to believe what the powers that be want you to believe.

    SanderO says:
    Especially since the assassination of JFK… no one is going too far who is not acceptable.

    When it comes to presidents, not all the powers that be may be on the same page as to who is and who isn’t acceptable. While JFK may have only been the 4th president to have actually been assassinated, I haven’t heard of a president who hasn’t had -someone- trying to assassinate them at some point. According to the my brief glance at wikipedia’s page on assassination threats to Obama, he’s gotten around 5. Furthermore, “in 2009 the Secret Service stated that the volume of threats against Obama was “comparable to that under George W. Bush and Bill Clinton.”[9]“

    SanderO says:
    We have a few outliers like Denis Kucinich who has no power and no one from the mainstream takes seriously.

    Yes, and this is what worries me.

    SanderO says:
    People wanted to believe Obama would represent the people and understand the laws as supposedly a constitutional scholar and community organizer. But he was really just a trojan horse who could talk the talk but either caved when the going got tough or it was part of the strategy all along.

    Part of the strategy all along on some things (the continuation of the war in Afghanistan), caved in others (shutting down Guantanamo), and in others, well.. I admit it looks suspicious. I remember him saying this:
    “”We’ve seen just a skyrocketing autism rate. Some people are suspicious that it’s connected to the vaccines. This person included. The science right now is inconclusive, but we have to research it.” –Barack Obama, Pennsylvania Rally, April 21, 2008. ”

    And yet now:
    Obama Revision to FOIA Rules Keeps Evidence of Vaccine Dangers From Public:
    http://occupycorporatism.com/obama-revision-to-foia-rules-keeps-evidence-of-vaccine-dangers-from-public/

    SanderO says:
    We’ll never know. He disappointed a lot of people with the *change we can believe in*. He’s effectively a republican and has abandoned labor… abandoned his own black people… let many be executed in prison… not stood up to the gun people… and did the surge in case you have forgotten right after he accept the Nobel Peace prize. What a disgrace that was.

    Again, I think he’s a product of his times. I think that McCain and Romney would both have been worse; given the current political power structure, I really do believe Obama was the best that could be done.

    SanderO says:
    We could have had worse and we did with GWB, GHWB and so forth.

    Exactly.

    SanderO says:
    Clinton was another fast talker who was republican light… Look at their stand on Palestine? These executives are disgusting on human rights… no ifs ands or buts.

    I wouldn’t put it that way. They say that power corrupts; I don’t actually believe that. I believe that power simply magnifies the errors of people. I respected Clinton as I respected Obama. You think if you put most people in the presidential office that they’d do better than either of them? I think that in general, they’d do worse. Hell, I even respected the Bushes, in the sense that someone can respect the Godfather. Clinton and Obama, atleast, aren’t in that category in my view.

    SanderO says:
    He’s our president and he fits into the mold of *acceptable* presidents of a neo feudal proto fascist fig leaf democracy. If you can’t see him as part of the problem than you are wearing blinders.

    Who isn’t part of the problem? I think this is a case of seeing the glass half empty vs. seeing it half full. I think it could be said that everyone is part of the problem.. but they’re also a part of the solution.

  41. I think you all should take note that Paul Craig Roberts believes that Newtown was a conspiracy to lead to the removal of guns from private ownership!

    Go Paul! Don’t let them take your gun!

  42. SanderO wrote:
    Speaking of pledge of Allegiance… when I was a young lad on 10th grade… back in I think 1962 or so… they added the words *under god* to the pledge of allegiance in 1954 when I was 7.
    The Vietnam war was getting going and we were told about dominos falling and I decided not to stand and recite the pledge with the other students in the class. I was sent to the principals office.. lectured to and my mother called and told that I was suspended or something. Word got out and the NY Times actually published an article about it and as 10th grader I received hate mail! How cool was that!

    Lol :-)

    SanderO wrote:
    By the time I was in college the draft was on and I was about to burn my draft card when they decided to do a lottery… and I did not have to go. I would have fled to Canada, but get to stay here and protest the war. I was in college when Kent State occurred.
    It’s only gotten worse since then.

    I’d say it’s gotten both better and worse. I think people are more aware then ever before of what our problems are and even how to fix them. On the other hand, the problems have been getting steadily worse. I think the main problem is actually the rising population, in tandem with the depletion of resources. When the average member of western society finds they can’t get enough to eat and drink, that’s when the real problems will start.

  43. SanderO writes:
    I think you all should take note that Paul Craig Roberts believes that Newtown was a conspiracy to lead to the removal of guns from private ownership!

    I also believe this, based on what I’ve read so far. Since you referred to Paul Craig Roberts, I looked for, found and read his article on the subject, which can be seen here:
    http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2012/12/19/agenda-driven-news/

    SanderO writes:
    Go Paul! Don’t let them take your gun!

    I’m not sure that most people would be able to prevent it in the long term. That being said, all of these actions will continue to feed the discontent that is stirring in the U.S. and elsewhere. Eventually, I think that people will figure out what Paul and others have figured out, which is that yes, western societies are resembling a police state more with every passing year. Personally though, developments such as this one scare me even more:
    http://www.naturalnews.com/038402_Facebook_censorship_Sandy_Hook_shooting.html

    I’ve never owned a gun and it’s possible that I never will. But I’m very familiar with the curtailment of free speech. Sibel Edmonds’ case is ofcourse a powerful example of this. The one thing that has brought her story to the light of many is the media, but this, too is becoming increasingly controlled. The internet is fast becoming the last bastion of free speech and yet examples such as the one above show that this one is getting more tightly controlled as well.

  44. @ scott and other.

    You have to realize that we don’t have anything resembling a democracy. You can call what we have anything you want. You can refer to the founding documents protected under glass for view in the capitol. We do not have a democracy. END OF STORY.

    We do have now very powerful corporations (non democratic organizations driven simply by the profit motive)… and a state security apparatus to advance the agenda of… the state security apparatus which also happens to make a handful of individuals extremely wealthy and powerful.

    The rest of us are feudal serfs… and a few are managers of the serfs… and then there are the police to PROTECT PROPERTY. Property and well is all that counts and can be on a balance sheet.

    We have fascism. This is what capitalism evolves into.. or perhaps is when it inhabits the government and merges with it. We are there NOW.

    Those in powers are doing all manner of spin and mind control and PR and so forth to keep the serfs down, working if they have it.. and quiet if they don’t. Slaves serve one purpose… to support the wealth paradigm of their owners.

    We’re are coming to the end game and the people… at least in Europe are pushing back. Americans are too dumb, or too distracted and dumb.. or too distracted and afraid to do anything but complain. We’ve got some excellent complainers… analysts and critiques.

    No one is doing anything about it because unless everyone or most everyone acts together… they pick off the people who protest… and silence them. Why would they want to give up power and the goose that laid the golden egg.

    We have a whole spate of people such as Sibel who bought into their BS and went into help… and found the rot and now try to speak out. Good for them. People need to know.

    But people need to act. Talk is cheap.

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