Corbett Report- Sibel Edmonds on Gladio B, Protected Terrorists & Stifled Investigations

Sibel Edmonds of BoilingFrogsPost.com joins us for the second part of our series on Gladio B, the NATO-directed effort to radicalize, enable and protect Islamic terrorists to further their own geopolitical ends. This time we discuss recent events, like the US Embassy bombing in Ankara and the catch-and-release of Osama Bin Laden’s son-in-law in Turkey, before going back to the 1990s for more on the roots of the Gladio B operation and its tie-in to stories like that of Yasin al-Qadi. We shine a light on the FBI agents who were working on shutting down terrorist finance networks, and how they were shut down by elements of the State Department and the CIA. We also answer comments and questions from listeners of our first conversation.





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SHOW NOTES:

Turkey: Embassy bombers cling to Cold War ideology

Turkey refused to extradite bin Laden’s son-in-law to US

Turkey detains, frees Laden spokesman Abu Ghaith

Angry FBI agents joked about al Qaeda mole at HQ

9/11 and Cyberterrorism

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  1. I find this interview very difficult to make sense of. My take away:

    Everything inside the beltway is corrupt.. nothing new here
    CIA, NSA, FBI, etc are all spying on each other.
    There are double agents who are not going to be arrested because they are source and plants.. Duh…
    Lots of money is flowing in all this illegal stuff and everyone is trying to grab as much as can…
    Everyone is trying to grab the goods in the former Soviet republics.. Duh
    Turkey is well positioned to be a base of operations for all this
    Turkey was the forward base for the US/NATO/Intel… nothing new here.
    Of course *they* are going to leverage Islam
    GladioB…. what is it?

    Intel is out of control… it needs to be crushed and discarded… of no use to the people.

    Color me confused… by GladioB

  2. What I find sad… I don’t know the word… you have scores if not hundreds of people who work for the national security state.. such as McGovern and Sibel.. Kariakou and on and on and then they wake up one day and realize that the NSS is rotten to the core… it’s insinuated itself into the state department, the press… and when these folks with the most amazing level of naivite come out and blow the whistle they freak out that the NSS pushed back.

    The NSS, MIC is not going to yield the ethical concerns. Power is corrupt. END OF STORY. We know this… It’s a reliable as the sun rising.

    This sort of thing was exposed by Agee.. and he had to run off to Cuba to save his life.. but he was silenced.

    Not only is the conversation not going to end… but the NSS is not going away by yapping about it.

  3. Sibel and James: Thanks for another installment. Please, please, please keep adding to this series. It’s been very enlightening and full of great information and analysis.

    Question: Do you think it would be fruitful for me/the public to find out the names of the US officials who met with Zawahiri in Baku, Azerbaijan, just prior to 9/11?

    By fruitful, I mean is it wise to consider these folks as suspects (not the only ones) for the crimes which occurred on 9/11?

    I know this is a big picture, and I don’t want to create unnecessary focus on 9/11, but I think that so many things do center around those particular events/crimes.

    Thanks again!

  4. avatar flogchopsuey says:

    This is news as it should be. Intellectually challenging. There is something interactive about connecting the dots. But still, I am reaching, the pattern is not complete. I guess that is the definition of suspense. But you know, if I was a good detective, I would be building a timeline on this. Hey, maybe somebody already is……

  5. What dots are connected and what does that actually mean.. connecting the dots?

    “In adult discourse the phrase “connect the dots” can be used as a metaphor to illustrate an ability (or inability) to associate one idea with another, to find the “big picture”, or salient feature, in a mass of data.

    Reuven Feuerstein features the connection of dots as the first tool in his cognitive development program.”

    So is the big picture that Intel (CIA & pals) are trying to control all sorts of governments in the third word (not yet aligned)… getting them nicely aligned with the interests of the transnationals… and using military intervention to accomplish this along with all manner of illegal activities, including murder, bribery, money laundering, drug *running*, illegal arms *running* and legal arms transfers?

    This sounds about right for how the CIA has seen its mission since the early 60s.

    Don’t forget the partner relationships that take place… this is very common and includes Intel ops adn NATO machinations. Read about partnerships:

    “A partnership is an arrangement where parties agree to cooperate to advance their mutual interests.[1]

    Since humans are social beings, partnerships between individuals, businesses, interest-based organizations, schools, governments, and varied combinations thereof, have always been and remain commonplace. In the most frequently associated instance of the term, a partnership is formed between one or more businesses in which partners (owners) co-labor to achieve and share profits and losses (see business partners). Partnerships exist within, and across, sectors. Non-profit, religious, and political organizations may partner together to increase the likelihood of each achieving their mission and to amplify their reach. In what is usually called an alliance, governments may partner to achieve their national interests, sometimes against allied governments who hold contrary interests, such as occurred during World War II and the Cold War. In education, accrediting agencies increasingly evaluate schools by the level and quality of their partnerships with other schools and a variety of other entities across societal sectors. Partnerships also occur at personal levels, such as when two or more individuals agree to domicile together, while other partnerships are not only personal but private, known only to the involved parties.

    Partnerships present the involved parties with special challenges that must be navigated unto agreement. Overarching goals, levels of give-and-take, areas of responsibility, lines of authority and succession, how success is evaluated and distributed, and often a variety of other factors must all be negotiated. Once agreement is reached, the partnership is typically enforceable by civil law, especially if well documented. Partners who wish to make their agreement affirmatively explicit and enforceable typically draw up Articles of Partnership. It is common for information about formally partnered entities to be made public, such as through a press release, a newspaper ad, or public records laws.

    While partnerships stand to amplify mutual interests and success, some are considered ethically problematic. When a politician, for example, partners with a corporation to advance the corporation’s interest in exchange for some benefit, a conflict of interest results. Outcomes for the public good may suffer. While technically legal in some jurisdictions, such practice is broadly viewed negatively or as corruption.

    Governmentally recognized partnerships may enjoy special benefits in tax policies. Among developed countries, for example, business partnerships are often favored over corporations in taxation policy, since dividend taxes only occur on profits before they are distributed to the partners. However, depending on the partnership structure and the jurisdiction in which it operates, owners of a partnership may be exposed to greater personal liability than they would as shareholders of a corporation. In such countries, partnerships are often regulated via anti-trust laws, so as to inhibit monopolistic practices and foster free market competition. Enforcement of the laws, however, is often widely variable. Domestic partnerships recognized by governments typically enjoy tax benefits, as well.”

  6. avatar flogchopsuey says:

    In Florida I have used the states version of corporation and limited liability company, both times merely to be in compliance with some regulatory hurdle. The investment in time and costs was surprisingly minimal both to establish and dissolve the arrangement, because no disputes arose during the “life” of “the entity”. If you get married, it’s a three way deal from day one. It is not permissible to reference marriage vows in divorce court in most states. In China the deliberate policy of encouraging smaller entities to merge into bigger ones, that is often economic policy. If you don’t mind me going off the philosophical deep end, kind of related to Churchill’s quote about the empires of the mind, we have been projecting entityhood, personhood into conceptual frameworks increasingly since the invention of writing. In early christianity we had the church as the body of christ. What to speak of what we projected on the entity of god. These narratives play directly into the environmental crisis we may be facing. Nature is the subject, first of gods laws, then of the “laws of physics”. When at the most practical level, it is nature that nurtures and supports everything and humans that are so eager to subjugate it. Now we have tangled ourselves up into a bundle of intellectual models, mostly taken for granted, and identify with all manner of assumptions. Premises that are ill founded survive far too long. With the “cloud” system of data dispersement and inter-related non-local models, the house of cognitive cards is looking tippy. It is actually becoming popular to be non-literate and fuzzy minded. Visual models are appealing, the processing of data is so non-sequential, so lacking in any linear order, that we are having major communication breakdowns in society with no solution in sight. The focus on networking is going to have an increased element of just keeping the interconnections, the communication flow from being terminated. So relationships will be highly important, especially between “real people”, non-artificial entities. More important than being right about concepts or about interpretations of the dots. Adulthood can be postponed indefinitely with a skillful manipulation of the hierarchy. Thinking for yourself is always a good sign. And that is being encouraged I think, when an interactive style is used. As opposed to the spoon feeding we get from the MSM arm of top down propaganda. Trickle down. Reagan would have known about that. By the end all he could connect were jelly beans. Almost as bad as the corporate emphasis on counting their variety of beans, power and money. If we can’t invent a new model, why bother to change anything?

  7. Flog,
    Thank you very much for this last comment. Good thinking here.

    This is very true:

    “It is actually becoming popular to be non-literate and fuzzy minded”

    And this applies to all sorts of esoteric knowledge.

  8. This article points out that the US, Britain and NATO clearly align with Islamic radicals when it suits their agenda… which is to install puppet regimes.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jan/31/cameron-galloway-saudis-bahrain-dictators

    This, as I have written, is nothing new with these thugs (USA, UK, and their intelligence pit bulls) and have been going on for more than half a century. Why?

    Capitalism in the expression of non state actor transnational corporations NEEDS to have access to resources and markets and corporations can’t and don’t have foreign policies, seats in the UN, armies and so forth. THEY used the CIA and the capitalist states fronting for them… the US, UK etc. to do the bidding for these non state trans national interests we call *corporations*. Corps know no borders… don’t care about them… just want free access to resources and cheap labor and markets to flog their product at value added prices (profits)

    This is what *democracy* is about for decades perhaps since the rise of these large monopolies in the mid 19th century.

    How convenient it is for these corporations to run the US and UK governments… use their armies… have their tax revenues (the people’s money) flow to them for the *defense industries*. What’s good for GE is good for America… or so we were told.

    We are seeing capitalism run amok and taking the world with it while individuals selfishly get rich playing this game and the people… and the workers give their blood and treasure for essentially abuse.

    And people wonder why or even if there is blow back and non state terrorist groups? How could there not be? And that too is a self fulfilling prophesy of sorts. Most of this is in the selection of books in the side bar… except the rantings of Ron Paul who is whacked out about several things .. all predated by Philip Agee’s 1975 book Inside the Company which is not on the list…

    “Inside the Company

    Inside the Company identified 250 alleged CIA officers and agents.[3] The officers and agents, all personally known to Agee, are listed in an appendix to the book.[16] While written as a diary, it is actually a reconstruction of events based on Agee’s memory and his subsequent research.[17]

    Agee writes that his first overseas assignment was in 1960 to Ecuador where his primary mission was to force a diplomatic break between Ecuador and Cuba, no matter what the cost to Ecuador’s shaky stability, using bribery, intimidation, bugging, and forgery. Agee spent four years in Ecuador penetrating Ecuadorian politics. He states that his actions subverted and destroyed the political fabric of Ecuador.[5]

    Agee helped bug the United Arab Republic code room in Montevideo, Uruguay, with two contact microphones placed on the ceiling of the room below.[5]

    On December 12, 1965 Agee explains how he visited senior Uruguayan military and police officers at a Montevideo police headquarters. He realized that the screaming he heard from a nearby cell was the torturing of a Uruguayan, whose name he had given to the police as someone to watch. The Uruguayan senior officers simply turned up a radio report of a soccer game to drown out the screams.[5]

    Agee also ran CIA operations within the 1968 Mexico City Olympic Games and he witnessed the events of the Tlatelolco massacre.

    Agee stated that President José Figueres Ferrer of Costa Rica, President Luis Echeverría Álvarez (1970–1976) of Mexico and President Alfonso López Michelsen (1974–1978) of Colombia were CIA collaborators or agents”

    Read his last published article:

    http://www.counterpunch.org/2007/03/14/the-descent-of-the-us-the-rise-of-latin-america/

  9. These ‘dots’ whirl like the unexploded thermitic chips in the DUST of 911. just awaiting enough heat to ignite them.
    Chicago. Clinton. Interoperability not just PTECH domain. A hell of a town. Rahm Emanuel out of Chicago, now Mayor, was Clinton senior advisor 93-98. Director of finance for Clinton primary 1991. His father reported as being ‘retired Irgun’ by Bollyn. No secret that BUSH H.W, as CIA boss, controlled MENA drug enterprises.inc. while Clinton was Governor of Arkansas. Obama came into power through Chicago with Emanuel as top gun and plenty of help.
    Wayne Madsen reports Obama’s Grandparents were OSS/CIA
    http://www.opinion-maker.org/2010/08/special-report-the-story-of-obama-all-in-the-company-part-iii/

    So begs question of ‘co-incidental nature of things’, having such POWER brokering through Chicago networks, operating GladioB/laundering et al, as reported here,
    and the coming from ‘deep state’ Chicago the unknown Obama into white house.

  10. avatar tonywicher says:

    On the “9/11 truth movement” – with all its crackpots and disinformation agents there is a core of truth that is represented by the scientists at Architects and Engineers for 9/11 truth. They have been “marginalized” just as Sibel and Colleen have been. They do represent THE scientific consensus about what happened on 9/11. They are of course surrounded by disinformation people such as sanderO whose job it is to introduce doubt and uncertainty where there is settled scientific fact. The World Trace Center was demolished with explosives. Period. Any further discussion of this fact is a waste of time and energy. Instead we must go on to figure out how this happened and who did it. These scientific facts about what happened on this particular day can only supplement a political and historical analysis that puts this particular event into a larger framework of decades of policy. This is what Sibel is providing. Together these two approaches to the truth strengthen each other. Her non-partisan approach is shared by the Architects and Engineers and by me. The only “white hats” I see are worn by Sibel, Richard Gage and other genuine truth-tellers. I regard the Obama administration as 100% complicit in 9/11. I think John Brennan, the nominee for CIA director, was one of bin Laden’s CIA minders and protectors in the days leading up to 9/11. If there could be anything worse than Bush, it is Obama, a Wall Street Stooge, a lackey of the British empire, a bloodthirsty killer, a black overseer type with slimy pseudo-liberal rhetoric to deceive his naive base.

  11. OT… my job is architect… My interest is to see the end of the capitalist hegemony over the world and the end of violence as a means for settling disputes and prevailing over others. That’s about it.

  12. avatar tonywicher says:

    Investigating 9/11 is like investigating a crime. The government would not do an honest investigation of the forensic evidence so the Architects and Engineers had to do it for them. The forensic evidence shows the towers did not fall from gravity and fire but were demolished with thermite. Does the investigation end there? No, it begins there. What can reasonably be said is that some guys from Afghanistan did not manufacture or place the explosives, along with outwitting the entire U.S. air defense system. We need to stop being distracted by the bin Laden bogyman on which the government strives to fix our attention like a magician’s trick to find out who really did do this and why, and bring the perpetrators to justice. As experts in their own field, the Architects and Engineers scrupulously take no position on these larger questions. They only call for an honest government investigation. Since that is not currently available, that task is left to great criminal investigators like Sibel, and I mean to include all the honest people here who listen to Sibel and who add their brainpower to the investigation she is leading. If somehow we could get an honest president I would have him appoint Sibel Attorney General. Then we would see see a real investigation!

  13. Wicher… non sequiturs and gibberish… I don’t consider most truther dishonest. I consider them to be well intentioned and they were lied to by officials.. and manipulated to support wars and loss of their rights to supposedly provide them with security.

    I do consider them, however, to not have properly investigated the technical evidence and reached the incorrect conclusion by misreading what they believe is evidence leading to the inside job conclusion of CD. Are they calling for a criminal investigation or a proper technical one? The official technical one contained flaws and so we don’t have a correct technical investigation and proper explanation. If that is the investigation that AE911T is calling for, I completely support it. Once that has determined what actually happened to those buildings… then the issue becomes one of accountability. If the planes and fires they caused could not collapse the towers, then the cause such as CD must be nailed and those who placed the devices brought to justice. If they cause is a collapse from planes and fires (I know you don’t accept this) then we need to STILL know what this would cause the building to collapse as easily as they did.. and we certainly need to understand what happened to bldg 7. Your assertion of placed thermite is not supported by any evidence at the site.

    Regardless of why the towers came down, the American people were led to a wars against 2 nations which were not involved in the event and not shown to be. We were lied into wars and our constitutional rights trashed and that was an abuse and involved international war crimes and there has been no accountability. Our resources are directed at a largely way way overblown threat to the US of international terrorism. Our nation is falling apart and the MIC is getting obscenely wealthy and the national security state bloated and in complete control of the agenda of the people’s government a trend since the fall of the USSR. The US government’s resources, treasure and power has been subverted by special interests known as transnational corporations with only one agenda – creation of wealth by exploitation and control of the world’s resources and markets. This is what Sibel calls Galdio B which has morphed from a containment policy of USSR communism (anti capitalism) to a imperial stratgey to secure the resources of the former Soviet republics and the non aligned world.

    The USA has no formal diplomatic means to control outcomes around the world. Foreign service is at best to protect US interests around the world… citizens who travel and live abroad and business who operate abroad and of course the communication channel to other governments. Outcomes are controlled by ACTIONS which the State Department does no have a mandate for. That is what the CIA has been doing since the early 60s when it was changed from essentially a information gathering agency into a operations one….and they operations were largely illegal, and kept secret from the American people. US foreign policy… hence the advancement of the interests of trans national corporations is carried out by the CIA and other secretive intelligence agencies.

    *Intelligence agency* is truly a misnomer. The CIA is doing far more than gathering information about trouble spots etc. around the world. They are INFLUENCING affairs around the world… they are carrying out all manner of operations which interfere within other nations.. all illegal… by any standard. The justification is that we live in a dangerous kill-or-be-killed world and all nations are doing this to protect their security. This is pure unadulterated rubbish. These agencies advance the special interests around the world for profit of these interests and ultimately power to control virtually everything. We have full spectrum facism… a sort of slo motion coup d’etat with some actual assassinations in the US to male sure that this agenda was not interfered with… JFK, RFK, MLK, MalcomX, Allende and many others around the world who opposed the military power and that of the transnationals to dominate and control the world’s resources and markets.

    Laws do not matter to these guys. Fascism is here. We are living in a Truman show.

  14. @SanderO:
    “This is what Sibel calls Galdio B which has morphed from a containment policy of USSR communism (anti capitalism) to a imperial stratgey to secure the resources of…”

    [not condescending]
    It sounds to me like it is an operational division with an office, not an imperial strategy. It coordinates the use of Islamic radicals and other bad actors to commit false flag terrorism, world-wide, to support the goals you mentioned. While the imperial strategy and the specific tactic of false flag terrorism using religion were not new with Gladio’s conversion, I see the conversion as a more formal institutionalization of and commitment to the practice, with a probable increase in activity and intensity.

    If you think of Gladio A as a program in support of a strategy, then it follows to think of Gladio B the same way, but with a different methodology.

    Does that make sense?

    Another thing – I think it’s actually good that we (the rational non-killers without a global domination plan – the public) can point to an actual division/office. If we can start to get some of the journalists to stop falling for the false flag story lines of some of these events, we might be able to lead them to the key that uncovers the lie for many more of these terror events.

    Another another thing: I see 9/11 as a clear example that matches Gladio B’s MO. I agree with remo that saying “sure they may have covered it up, helped out the attackers beforehand, possibly brought down the defenses, and further assisted in the attacks, but they didn’t DO it.” as a kind of American exceptional-ism. Sibel mentioned this a couple times as a possible reason for not digesting the information she is presenting.

    I know you said before that they were opportunists, not murderers, or something like that. Don’t you think you may be slightly influenced by your preconception of what kind of people these psychos are, because of that classic belief in good guys and bad guys? It’s a common trait, even among intelligent people and nothing to be ashamed of, once it’s recognized.

    @tonywicher: Please, let’s try to focus on this excellent series on Gladio and it’s conversion into a world-wide false flag terrorism operation, using religion as one of the main tools for recruitment and story line.

    This does connect directly to the FBI podcast about the FBI that Corbett just did and is posted on BFP here:

    http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2013/02/08/corbett-report-rummaging-around-fbis-skeletons/

    Since one of the Gladio characters Sibel mentioned, Yasin al-Qadi, is alleged to be a key investor in PTech software, which could have been used to shut down defenses on 9/11.

    There’s a lot of interesting information, discussion, and questions that don’t involve what AE911Truth is doing. So, since it’s a real downer for the folks presenting this new information to us (i.e. Sibel, as she pointed out in this installment) when this kind of distraction and in-fighting about stuff unrelated to this series takes place here.

    You wouldn’t want to continue to frustrate her, after she outright mentions that other whistle blowers are quitting in frustration, derived partly from such in fighting and distraction, would you?

  15. Xicha,

    This is an excellent comment. Thank you!

    I suppose Gladio was a tactic in support of a strategy. The strategy was to crush the rise of the left within the democratic west. The tactic was all manner of terror, infiltration and having the left blamed for actions they would not have done.. such as the Bologna train station bombing.

    I do believe that the MSM falls for the narrative provided by official sources or unnamed ones who plant stories which become the false narrative which prevail. The use of the media is very much a part of the tactic to advance the present strategy of global domination by the trans nationals and the pit bulls the MIC and the military itself.

    Intel operations are just that…operations… created events which are not reported as they were… but how they want the public to perceive them. Some label these as false flags… but that is stretching the definition of the word. Oswald was a patsy and the assassination was not (in my opinion) a false flag op… but it was a media snow job and major deception as we were led to believe it was a lone nut not a group with an agenda who killed JFK.

    CIA and Intel HAS to use agents and operatives with covers. They have no other options. The MO of CIA ops is deception. And since the operatives are acting under cover we will not be told who was behind these events… or why. CIA uses ONLY none state actors until it can actually partner with a government official… We call that a puppet. A puppet is a head of state who serves the US and is directed by/through the CIA.

    Indira Singh revealed some very interesting aspects of enterprise software used by all major institutions to manage there operations and to interface with other mega corps and the financial institutions. There is a massive interconnected cyber software architecture which links ALL major large institutions including such ones as DOD, FAA, NORAD, commercial airlines, financial institutions. Ptech was the provider of this software and it was owned by Saudis if I am not mistaken. But the take away is that the operations of all these giants can be fiddled with by back door access to the enterprise software… and obviously there are people who have the keys to the back door. And they can do all manner of mischief… and likely did some on 9/11. If true this is very damaging and would never be revealed… let alone that such software is essentially making the big corps run smoothly. These operations are so huge that they HAVE to be run by software… no other viable option in real time.

    The elite has only very few interests… grab as much wealth as they can… and hold on to it… and this involves controlling the justice system and governments. They have only short term interests… care not for the environment or the people. The are not facilitators… they are the sponsors who pay others to run it all and pay well and extract loyalty and like the mafia enforce omerta. You do not rat out the system. You play ball or you are taken out. It’s that simple. Rewards are high…penalty is termination with extreme prejudice.

    Intel runs this all for the sponsors. The people within intel have drunk the koolaid and believe the narrative… they think they are working to protect democracy and freedom and that the rest of the world is trying to steal the bounty and blessings of America. And so they will do what it takes to keep America on the trajectory which got her where she is. And this, of course involves operations to produce favorable outcomes for the sponsors (elites/trans-nationals). That’s the CIA… call it Gladio A, B, C or D. The region of focus changes. The MO is the same. The tactics evolve and include… supporting insurgencies, propping up puppets, spying and all manner of illegal operations to fund what they do,, and to make those in the game wealthier and beyond the grasp of the legitimate taxing authorities. The sponsors have corrupted elections, the media, infiltrated congress and the courts and run the US government… making the illegal and unethical legal! They’ve turned the US federal, state and local governments into nothing more than fascists which protect the elite.

    9/11 changed everything and was not what we were told. That’s the key point. It was used to leverage even further draconian measures, suppress any descent… and identify an enemy which would bloat the coffers of the MIC for the foreseeable future. So far it has worked a charm. They are getting more brazen and not bothering to hide and be secret. We are witnessing the unveiling of American fascism… and we are being told it is for our own good and safety.

    I have a bridge for sale.

  16. avatar tonywicher says:

    Xicha,

    The point of my previous posts was an attempt to END the discussion of what happened on 9/11 by saying that the matter is settled, and we must now go on to investigate who did it and why, which is what Sibel is doing here. Unfortunately SanderO will not shut up, but in the light of everything said so far by Sibel, is there any doubt that bin Laden had lots of inside help? Did he really outwit the entire U.S. air defense system? Another honest and straightforward man, Paul Craig Roberts, has said in many articles published here at BFP that this is all you need to know to understand that 9/11 was an “inside job”. This is really the point. Most “terrorist attacks” are inside jobs. The British Empire has been employing this technique for centuries, as did Hitler, etc. That is also the point of studying Operation Gladio as we are doing here, to understand this pattern of state-sponsored terrorism.

  17. Wicher,

    Was the attack at Khobar towers an inside job? or the attack of the Marine Barracks in Beruit, Or the US Embassy in Nairobi? Or the attack of the USS Cole?

    What you fail to understand is that the NSS ALWAYS has a cover story to spin any event to its benefit. Intel IS playing both sides and they ARE aware of insurgencies around the globe as they often support them with arms and intelligence because they serve the agenda of the MIC. However NSS/MIC does not have control over everything. If they did there would be no wars… no struggles, no terrorism.

    What appears to be true… is that NSS/Intel was aware of terrorist plans to attack the USA with hijacked planes… and appear to have done nothing about it… or even aided the effort… because it fed into their agenda to use such an attack to leverage the New American Century of full spectrum dominance. There is no proof 9/11 was an inside job as much as it was one that the insiders knew of and allowed it to take place… and there is no evidence that the insiders blew up the WTC.. and further there was no reason to blow it up… having planes strike these towers was all they really needed and wanted. Sufficient for their objective to launch the New American Century.

    I am sure you can’t point to *leaked* intel which a whistle blower revealed which proves that the insiders blew up the WTC. There is testimony that the US gov expected such attacks… even staged military exercises about such attacks… and did nothing to prevent the attacks… and even evidence that intel was aiding various terrorists groups to act as proxies in over throwing regimes in the former Soviet republics and in the ME.

    You are simply speculating.

  18. avatar flogchopsuey says:

    I like the comment about the pattern and history of false flags by TW: British Empire, Hitler etc. I doubt it has been productive to be so sure about the Modus Operandi (highly technical details of “how”)of any of the previous events as to let it come between the people trying to help society cut through the darkness. What resolves the matter more is the big picture of the who, why, when and where, not the minutiae of the how. Especially if the highly technical details requiring exceptional expertise become a matter of dispute or the data for their ultimate proof is not available. Those pushing details, often overstating their provability, are often doing more harm that good by getting the conversation side tracked etc. etc. and letting unjustified certainties be used to put reputations on the line. The proof of that is in the pudding of what we see around us. How come folks like Sibel Edmonds figured this out a long time ago and so many other folks haven’t? Just how sure Ms. Edmonds is about her stance is indicated in her recent request (as I read it) that even good speculations (what to speak of far out ones!) be reserved for a time when that subject is the main subject of the intended comment thread.

  19. @SanderO: in your last comment you make a lot of assumptions about how much control and involvement the NSS had in a number of terrorist events. You speak from a position of authority, but how do you know?

    Sibel is the only 1 here who has seen the evidence first hand and she puts 9/11 and EVERY other recent major terrorist event squarely in the context of Gladio B.

  20. …and she uses the terms planned, funded, orchestrated.

    The nice thing is that you are welcome to ask her a question.

    Maybe you should ask her to clarify the level of control Gladio B has in these terrorist events.

  21. @Xicha,
    I don’t think I made too many assumptions. I simply asked if several big attacks attributed to radical Islamists were that or were they black op/false flags of Intel/NSS? My sense is that they were not… But I have no proof.

    The point I am trying to make is that we need to realize that there is a conflation between intel operations and terrorists who are adversaries and act on their own at times. This sort of real verses in infiltrated directed acts sdefekects the public from believing that ANY terrorism is a staged intel op such as the Xmas bomber. The media will simply not make the point that intel is supporting and using terrorism at times to further its agenda which is the GWOT never ending wars of conquest and occupations.

    It makes no sense to me that there would be no blow back and all terrorism is false flag in nature. Some is… not all.

    I do not speak from a position of authority on anything. I *speak* my mind as I see things based on what I have read and experienced since the early 60s.

    Sibel’s evidence is, as far as I can tell, that there was knowledge of involvement between intel and some of the identified terrorists in various operations and that there was some level of awareness of the 9/11 attacks. I am not sure if she is more specific in her claims related to 9/11 aside from the corruption associated with the thugs of Turkey and their bids from Chicago… Hastert et al. If she is I am unaware of them. Kindly summarize or link to a reference.

    Really… who do you expect Intel to *be in bed with* in carrying out their extra legal activities? They work with known nasties! And they provide them with weapomns, money, intel and cover. And intel is not going to fess up to this stuff.

  22. “They work with known nasties! And they provide them with weapomns, money, intel and cover.”

    But we don’t orchestrate/direct?

    In the original Talking Turkey interview,

    http://www.corbettreport.com/interview-422-sibel-edmonds/

    She says that every recent major terrorist event was planned and directed by US/NATO.

    At a minimum, if the NSS was assisting in the 9/11 attacks, they were probably the ones in charge. Think about that.

  23. PTECH further investigated by Christopher Bollyn who insists it was mossad cut out company through Micheal GOFF working with Lebanese Muslim partners, utilizing MITRE Corporation [working in FAA basement for two years prior to 911.Indira Singh.]

    Onto the ‘gladio B’ phase ‘outsourcing’ terrorist atrocities.

    http://www.voltairenet.org/article177357.html

    where hacked ‘Britam Defence’ files mail dated December 24, 2012 sent by Britam Defence’s Business Development Director David Goulding to Dynamic Director of the firm Phillip Doughty, who is a former SAS officer.

    “Phil

    We’ve got a new offer. It’s about Syria again. Qataris propose an attractive deal and swear that the idea is approved by Washington.

    We’ll have to deliver a CW[•CW.chemical weapon.] to Homs, a Soviet origin g-shell from Libya similar to those that Assad should have.

    They want us to deploy our Ukrainian personnel that should speak Russian and make a video record.

    Frankly, I don’t think it’s a good idea but the sums proposed are enormous. Your opinion?

    Kind regards David

    Kind regards.

    911 is covered from the TOP, and BY the top. Would never have been achieved otherwise.

  24. avatar flogchopsuey says:

    Sibel Edmonds was the recipient of the 2004 Sam Adams Foundation Award, which seemed to be focused on honoring whistleblowers. For 2013 (or 2012?) Julian Assange was the recipient, and his acceptance speech that was censored by the Oxford Union is here : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1r7-ralebI

    I don’t here much about Assange here at BFP (maybe I just missed it) but I think the video above is relevant. Just my opinion, but open to ideas.

  25. avatar tonywicher says:

    I think people here should check out Steve Pieczenik’s blog at stevepieczenik.com. He is a senior FSO with a very interesting bio that you can check on Wikipedia. He is saying things that exactly coincide with what Sibel is saying about there being a “Gladio Plan B” office in the Pentagon. The Benghazi affair is explained by the fact that Obama and Brennan were running operations using this Pentagon office that were unknown to any legitimate American institution, even the CIA. Petraeus, the head of the CIA was out of the loop, and was so mad about it that he was cashiered using the Broadwell scandall.

    https://stevepieczenik.com/blog.html

    Please allow me to quote in full:

    “THE SECRET WAR BEHIND BENGHAZI”: Thank You, Kyle Smith, The NY POST, and all the Incredible Reporters at Fox News.
    Also thank you, Rupert Murdoch and Roger Ailes.
    and thanks to Jack Murphy and Brandon Webb for their INCREDIBLY BRAVE EBOOK called Benghazi: The Definitive Report.
    In times of war and confusion, it is imperative that our Journalistic (paper/internet) press come forward and reveal to us– the American citizenry–what only a few of us can suspect or fathom in these dark , turbulent times about the nefarious deeds of our POTUS and John Brennan in what THEY call, the “Global War On Terror” [GWOT].
    On Sunday, February 12, 2013, The NY Post published a remarkable article written by Kyle Smith about two writers, Jack Murphy and Brandon Smith, security experts, who were commissioned by William Morrow [ A News Corporation Subsidiary owned by Rupert Murdoch] to write a highly detailed E-book called, ”Benghazi: The Definitive Report”.

    This books describes in detail what I had surmised from thirty years in the Counter-Terrorism/ Intelligence/PsyOps that we had a ROGUE off-the-books paramilitary unit operating inside our government. This group was totally undermining General David Petraeus’s command and control of the CIA and it’s legitimate, legal role in combating terrorism.
    I wrote a blog (Nov 10, 2012) in which I had postulated that Petraeus’ firing from the CIA was not really related to a presumed or real love affair but it was related to a ROGUE OPERATION of paramilitary soldiers under the direct control OF OBAMA , the ‘choir boys’ in the WHITE HOUSE, reporting to no one but the cowardly POTUS and his perverted Goebbels — the CRIMINAL of all criminals –John Brennan.

    And today, the NY Post and the William Morrow Publishers were brave enough to come forward and state the following:
    ‘Since the CIA didn’t know about the secretive hit squads targeting al Qaeda, the agency and the consulate personnel were caught off guard:
    ‘They had no idea that the Special Operations mission would be kicking the hornet’s nest in Libya and therefore could not have prepared for the fallout that would result. Petraeus, the authors say, ‘was furious about being left in the lurch by the OBAMA ADMINISTRATION’ [my emphasis].
    ‘,,,, the CIA figures wanted him [Petraeus] out and ‘cashed in their chips’ by allowing details of the general’s affair with Paula Broadwell, which the FBI had known about for months to become public. PETRAEUS’ fall was a “PALACE COUP” [my emphasis]”, Murphy and Webb claim.

  26. avatar flogchopsuey says:

    Great find TW. From wiki: Pieczenik was deputy assistant secretary of state under Henry Kissinger, Cyrus Vance and James Baker.[3] His expertise includes foreign policy, international crisis management and psychological warfare.[7] He served the presidential administrations of Gerald Ford, Jimmy Carter, Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush in the capacity of deputy assistant secretary.

  27. avatar flogchopsuey says:

    Remo, the Voltaire piece was a good find:

    “On January 22 a telling leak cropped up in the Internet. British defense contractor’s BRITAM server was hacked and megabytes of classified internal files of the firm were released to the public”

    I agree that it would be nice to hear additional references to this. Before we hear about a chemical weapons incident.

    As far as Christopher Bollyn goes, I think you will find that some investigators/sources have called their own credibility and rationality into doubt, or have given indications of biases that exceed their capacity to properly justify. I would be surprised if Sibel Edmonds or James Corbett would employ such a source at least directly. I am sure that the PTEK issue stinks to high heaven. (http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/print/77680 /Terrorist_probe_hobbles_Ptech) There should be some major research efforts that went into it by now. Unfortunately it seems pretty much unsearchable at this point.

  28. I would have a hard time trusting most CIA and intel agents even those who have left the company. They are pretty much always in the company and continue to spew confusing information. CIA is always leaking rubbish and have thousands of plants in the press.

    All you need to know is that the CIA and NSA and such operate outside the law in service to the hegemonic vision of the capitalist transnationals and the MIC itself which seeks to be unchallenged as a FORCE.

    This was the plan when the CIA went from spying to operations back in the 60s (I believe) by a Executive Order of the POTUS… I don’t recall the facts, but that was when CIA went into black ops… and it’s been only getting worse since then. The CIA is part of the Executive Branch… So who runs who? Does the CIA run the POTUS or the POTUS use the CIA to execute his *foreign policy* objectives…. or both?

    Some people have had their hair on fire over this for half a century all during the period that McGovern was in the CIA, Kariakou, and Mr Roberts who gave us Reagonomics… all wake up after they’ve supported AND made money from the US gov that they rail against and all probably are accepting pensions to this day from the same government, paying taxes and telling us what a horror the government is.

    Well boo hoo… what tree have they been sleeping under for the past 50 years?

  29. flog,

    Yes and he was also deeply involved in the Aldo Moro case and has seen the original Operation Gladio from the inside. He has said that he was sent on a mission to save Moro, but as he got deeper the situation became very murky and he began to realize that there were people on our side that did not want Moro to be saved. Reminds me of how Micheal Scheuer who headed the bin Laden desk before 9/11 kept seeing chances to get bin Laden and found all his proposals being obstructed – by John Brennan, who was and still is the chief U.S. liason with Saudi Arabia. It would be nice to invite Pieczenik over to BFP to compare notes with Sibel.

  30. avatar tonywicher says:

    I have one question for Sibel. It has now come out that Obama and John Brennan were running operations in Benghazi using the JSOC, the Joint Special Operations Command, which is like the President’s private assassination squad, that reports only to the President. Remember that Cheney used it too. Petraeus did not know what Obama and Brennan were doing in Benghazi, and neither did Stevens. When JCS Chairman Dempsey and SecDef Panetta told Obama what was happening, he apparently thanked them for the information and signed off, giving no orders. It is clear that he did not want the CIA or the regular military to get involved which would expose his extra-legal operation, and he had no problem sacrificing Stevens. Of course all this is unconstitutional, impeachable and treacherous, but my question is, is the JSOC the same thing you have been calling the Gladio Plan B office in the Pentagon? They do all kinds of assassinations and false flags. They staged the bogus “bin Laden killing” in 2011 (bin Laden died in 2001-2002 of kidney failure caused by Marfan’s syndrome) and I don’t see why they would not be the ones who did 9/11. It fits pretty well.

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