Turkey’s NATO Exit & the New Turkey-Russia Alliance: A Turning Point in the Global Power Structure

Newsbud Roundtable presents Sibel Edmonds, James Corbett and Spiro Skouras. In this in-depth discussion Sibel and James peel back the layers and dive deep into the current events surrounding Turkey, Russia, the United States and NATO. We elaborate and provide analysis of the escalation of U.S.-Turkey relations, the new Turkey-Russia alliance, and Turkey’s bold move to exit NATO. Our discussion includes the Balkans and Russia wild card, Syria, the Kurdish question, and much more.

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  1. – About 1 week after the turkish coup I started to realize that NATO could lose Turkey. That Turkey could leave NATO at some points. But I don’t think NATO and the US would “take it lying down”. They’ll fight it tooth and nail.
    – I think we could see here the first MAJOR cracks in the structure called “US Empire”.

  2. CuChulainn says:

    Sibel briefly mentioned Israel, but nothing on the new Erdogan/Israel alliance late July. Kramer in the latest Foreign Affairs, celebrating the bloodbath in Syria, argues that Israel is well-positioned for the decline of US power, and that Israel, not the US, in fact determines the status quo in the region.
    Niqnaq for years has been predicting a reconfiguration of alliances, with Israel coming out on top as Russia and China move to the fore– https://niqnaq.wordpress.com/2016/03/26/all-of-this-is-part-of-a-planned-reconfiguration-of-global-alliances-such-that-israel-becomes-a-eurasian-power-and-no-longer-a-western-appendage/
    you are much too optimistic about Greece’s freedom of action. Tsipras is Soros’s boy, and Greeks, unlike Serbs, are tied to the West by their innate bourgeois aspirations.

  3. ralphie4me says:

    I applaud SE’s advocacy of shutting down NGOs and especially directing that effort against Soros’s minions.

    Russia is unlikely to make any deal that leaves NATO puppets in charge of Turkey. Turkey has facilitated the movement of jihadis into and out of the Caucasus as well as the Uihgurs across Central Asia. Russia will put a real premium on ending that movement–this is a matter of national interest for Russia as well as its partners in the SCO.

    Erdogan is too street smart and ruthless to make any deal before he has measured the testicular dimensions of his interlocutors. His own are in the vice now and he’s dealing from weakness, what with the troubles of the Turkish economy and ongoing doubts about his own military’s loyalties. About NATO he can’t truly have any doubts: if it can dump him it will dump him.

  4. CuChulainn says:
  5. To inject a bit of reality into this festival of Turkocentric excitement, curiously mixed with apocalyptic longing, I suggest reading Andre Vlchek’s excellent piece on Turkey, Turks, and Erdogan in the current issue of Counterpunch. Here’s one quote:

    “…the more I know Turkey, the less I understand it!
    It is one of the most complex countries on Earth. Turkey is unpredictable, full of contradictions and shifting alliances. Nothing is really what it appears to be on the surface. And even under the surface, the currents are often merging, separating, and even reversing their course.”

    I recalled Vlchek’s words when hearing Sibel’s “doubts” about Russia’s/Putin’s loyalty to our newly born anti-imperialist leadership of Turkey and the world-saving, anti-NATO course of Mr. Erdogan, a man of known sterling character who a few months ago promised to shoot another Russian plane in similar circumstances. Speaking of the “wild card” of Russia and Putin, I want to draw the attention of BF readers that Russia’s position was misrepresented in this show. Putin never said what was put in his mouth as “lip service” at 29:40 on. Russia has never said “mildly” that she was about to take Turkey under her “wing.” I challenge the producers of this show to quote anything that could be even remotely construed as such. As Vlchek correctly observes, “Putin was very polite, while meeting Erdoğan in St. Petersburg; polite but not much more.” Russia’s message to Erdogan is this: let’s take it step by step; words are cheap unless backed by actions that cannot be easily reversed if Mr. Erdogan or whoever is in power one morning happen to get out of bed on the wrong side. Same message as to Bulgarians who now ask Russia to build the Southern Stream as if they never refused to permit it. First, invest your money and political capital in this project, then we’ll talk.

    Also Russia is not interested in Incirlik and Russia is not going to fight WWIII over Turkey or whoever. Russia is country in a different league and her main concern is to have normal relations with the United States, not to be threatened and subverted by the West. Friendship with Turkey would be much welcomed but not at the cost of an armageddon. So if there is such thing as a “wild card” it’s Erdogan’s Turkey, not Putin’s Russia. The glowing image of Erdogan painted in this show has little to do with reality. Ideologically, Erdogan is no different from Gulen. They married pan-Turkism with Pan-Islamism and this brew was embraced by CIA ideologues like Henze, Fuller and their likes, because it was more promising than secular pan-Turkism against Russia and, to some degree, China. Contrary to claims made in the show, the Erdogan-Davutoglu regime’s decision to subvert Assad’s Syria was not forced on them by the US. They embraced the destruction of Syria as their chance to restore a neo-Ottoman empire. Russia, together with Iran and Hezbollah, intervened and put an end to this reactionary dream. The idiotic, knee-jerk decision to shoot down the Russian plane was a good reminder for Russians that Turkish political class was to be trusted even less than US-NATO. Even if Erdogan indeed got religion and wants to have friendly relations with Russia even while remaining in NATO he will not be allowed to do this by big Turkish bourgeoisie, professional class, and larger part of intellectuals whose material interests depend on Turkey being a part of the Western Empire. The next coup will come not from the army or intelligence but from the ranks of Erdogan’s own party, led by characters like Dovatoglu. The Turkish people—a vague but still meaningful term—are as powerless as the American or Russian people in everything related to foreign politics. The road to eternal peace between nations leads through internal war between social classes, the only meaningful war of our time. Until then Russia has only three friends: her Army, Navy, and Air-Space Forces.

    • ralphie4me says:

      I value the comments you made.
      Thanks for the reference to Vltchek and his article: “Turkey, Let Us Not Celebrate Yet!”
      http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/08/19/turkey-let-us-not-celebrate-yet/

      I found the data in this article about the internal migration in Turkey useful:
      “Turkey Coup: Undone by Demographics”
      ANATOLY KARLIN • JULY 19, 2016
      http://www.unz.com/akarlin/demographics-of-turkey-coup/

    • The interest in Incirlik referred to is mentioned here:
      https://web.archive.org/web/20160822220248/http://www.debka.com/newsupdate/17614/

      The way it’s formulated confirms your “invest your capital first” remark:

      ————————

      News Update
      Turkey should allow Russia’s air force to use Incirlik base, Russian MP says
      DEBKAfile August 17, 2016, 8:30 PM (IDT)

      A senior member of the Russian parliament, Viktor Ozerov, has suggested that Ankara invite the Russian air force to operate from Turkey’s Incirlik airbase, which is used by the US-led coalition against ISIS. The base built mostly from US and NATO budgets also holds several dozen US tactical nuclear bombs. Ozerov, a member of the Russian parliament’s defense and security committee, was quoted on Tuesday as saying “It is not guaranteed that Russia needs İncirlik, but such a decision could be regarded as Turkey’s real readiness to cooperate with Russia in the fight against terrorism in Syria.” He also said “Turkey can provide the Incirlik base to the Russian Aerospace Forces for its use in counterterrorism operations (in Syria). This can become a logical continuation of Turkish President Erdogan’s step toward Russia.”
      Ozerov’s statements came several days after a telephone conversation in which Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan called on his Russian counterpart Vladimir Putin to cooperate in carrying out a joint operation against ISIS in Syria. In an exclusive report earlier this week, DEBKAfile reported that a Turkish military delegation has been in Moscow since August 10 to set up a joint war room to coordinate military operations by the two countries.

  6. “Turkey should allow Russia’s air force to use Incirlik base, Russian MP says.”
    Here’s a sample Mossad’s front Debka infowar. The Russian MP said “can”, not “should” –a world of difference, eh?

  7. Feuer Frei…Fire at Will…
    “can the can”
    Just like a soldier..
    Will Do.
    Bang Bang Baby..
    ReLoad My Gun.
    Ready….
    Fire at Will.
    Best Regards
    Jens and Bornholm.

  8. Yeah that’s the danger, do you have a reference to the “can” version?
    ___________________________

    In the original it was “may accept”. Here’s the correct translation of Ozerov’s statement.

    http://visitwinchestervirginia.com/lake-russia-may-accept-the-offer-by-ankara-on-the-base-of-incirlik/

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