Perhaps this is the reasoning behind Donald Rumsfeld’s famous, “bring us flowers” Iraq War statement. Because of the successes here with making propaganda an integral part of U.S. news and cinematic “reality,” and knowing the intel agencies’ abilities to gather up, denounce, and ruin “dissidents” at a moment’s notice, in a moment of psychopathic hubris/elation he felt the stage for such a turn of the Iraqi people had been adequately set.

So, the acknowledgement of blanket spying on U.S. citizens some 35 years after Echelon began operations in Australia and after the STATED purpose of Echelon those decades ago was to be able to spy on ANYONE, ANYWHERE in the world, we are now being treated to a theatric “AHA!” moment, just as Jeremy Scahill attempted to pull off with his not knowing of the existence of JSOC in his movie, when actually he knew of it, at least, in 2009.

If history serves as a guide for present events, some decades down the road – though technology has advanced 1000-fold since the late 1970s-early 1908s, for some reason our ability to unearth new findings about the inner workings of intel agencies remains the same – we will learn that TODAY the NSA, CIA, et al. were far beyond the “Aha,” with which we are presently dealing.

WOW (and, AHA!!!)!.

Will you continue with more episodes?

How about condensing the series into a spiffy documentary and calling it “The Even Dirtier War: Gladio Continues”

The revised Colossus.

From a non-American perspective I would ask, where would you go? As the US Empire marches on towards Global Domination and full spectrum dominance the choices are equally decreasing. Communicating vessels.
Only a month ago the the administration formally acknowledged it had killed four American citizens in drone strikes. The stir this created made me cringe somewhat. What about the thousands non-Americans? Are we fair game?
Same with the recent NSA data mining PRISM revelations. The assurances of the government, as contemptible as they are, are aimed at US citizens. Nothing about non-Americans. We seem to be fair game again. Well, the internet has no borders. What’s more, much of the traffic goes through the US, that sits like a spider in the center of the web. Thirdly, almost every consumer pc, tablet and smartphone in the world runs on operating systems from either Microsoft, Google or Apple. All three are PRISM companies.
Some experts say even this is all meaningless as US agencies have direct access to internet backbones, the principal data routes, and they really do not need those companies. The ‘user-data requests’ are for the official paperwork only.

Don’t get me wrong. I’d welcome you and other whistleblowers here with open arms Sibel. It would be an honor. It’s just a note of caution.
We can be sure everything we do online is scooped up, analyzed and scrutinized by US agencies wherever we are.
And, the US government doesn’t seems to have much qualms of picking off non-American citizens. Especially outside US borders. Sovereignty? Never heard of it.
All and all I am not sure how much refuge we could provide..

This from the Hill:

The Time magazine poll released Thursday found that 54 percent of those surveyed said it was a “good thing” that Snowden leaked information about top secret data collection programs.

But there is also strong support for Snowden to be prosecuted for leaking the information, the poll found. Fifty-three percent of those surveyed said Snowden should be prosecuted while 28 percent said he should not. Broken down by party affiliation, 59 percent of Democrats, 58 percent of Republicans and 50 percent of Independents said that Snowden should be prosecuted. That finding echoes the feelings of a number of lawmakers, including Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) who, on Tuesday, said that Snowden should be “prosecuted to the fullest extend of the law.”

This from The Hill:

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On the subject of being a typical NPR Liberal, that’s what I was until July 2003, but a (rare) program on NPR broke me out of that. Terri Gross interviewed Stephen Kinzer on his then new book “All The Shah’s Men”, about the CIA coup against Mossadegh. My jaw hit the floor at that point, and I have never come back out of the rabbit hole. That was all it took, and soon after, I read former Blair Enviro Minister Michael Meacher’s OpEd in the Guardian, “This war on terrorism is bogus”, where I learned about PNAC, and the “new Pearl Harbor” — I used to read the Guardian daily back then, and they’re still pretty much the best as to mainstream — and that was enough to make me a confirmed Truther. Now I find no lack of evidence for SCADs — State Crimes Against Democracy — everywhere I look.

As to the case of Ed Snowden, the pages the Guardian is showing now, albeit redacted in part, of London’s vast spying on its G8 and G20 guest ministers is going to be QUITE interesting when Putin and Obama get together almost immediately, because the CIA is a full partner in what London was doing and apparently the Canadians, and Australia and New Zealand were kept apprised up to the minute as well. Shades of Cecil Rhodes’ Secret Society of English Speakers.

But if Wikileaks exposé of the CIA’s setup of Syria that Peter read out to Pepe Escobar in BF_81 is not real, why is Bradley Manning in jail?

Please see this interview by Charlie McGrath with Susan Lindauer, from April 15, 2013:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruHnwHqFevQ

They discuss the Boston Bombings and I found her analysis to be either misleading or severely lacking. (Maybe I’m spoiled here.) She offered the following alternatives about what the event could be:

A – a genuine terrorist attack, done by experienced terrorists. When elaborating on this option, she put it in the context of blowback. Her “strategy of tension” comments were completely separated from this option.

B – an orchestrated attack, pointing at the FBI as a likely culprit. As you probably understand, from the analysis here at BFP, this kind of activity would land squarely with the CIA, not the FBI.

While both of the options could be better explained within the context of possible/probable CIA involvement (i.e. Gladio B or similar considerations), I found it disappointing that this was ironically nowhere close to the analysis of this former intelligence agent, with such vast, on the ground experience.

Mix this with her ability to freely explain, with some amount of speculation (not the focus of this particular interview, but of others), the destruction of the towers and the video of the workers who planted the bombs [paraphrasing], and you can imagine why I look at Ms. Lindauer with a grain of salt and a very skeptical eye. While her story certainly brings emotional and empathetic thoughts and feelings, it is unfortunate that we need to, IMO, be wary of the information and analysis she presents.

That’s my take. If you, Sibel, or anyone else has more to add, maybe we could start a Forum thread, using the link in the menu above. One other question I’m curious about is whether or not she applied to be in Sibel’s NSWBC.

http://www.wanttoknow.info/911/9-11_whistleblower_susan_lindauer‎
9-11 Whistleblower Susan Lindauer: Key media excerpts, videos, more on 9-11 … Former language interpreter for Presidents Bush and Clinton …. She had been jailed for about a year but released from custody in 2006 after another judge …The unusual experiences of courageous 9/11 whistleblower Susan Lindauer are reported in numerous revealing articles by the major media. The below excerpts of these reports from the New York Times, Washington Post, and more show that Lindauer was arrested, imprisoned without trial, declared mentally incompetent when she demanded to stand trial, and eventually released. After five years under indictment without a trial, all charges against her were quietly dropped just days before President Obama’s inauguration.

Lindauer is now courageously speaking out about the incredible experiences she claims landed her in prison. She presents powerful evidence that the real reason she was arrested, imprisoned, and declared incompetent was because she knew the U.S. government had clear foreknowledge of the 9/11 attacks and much more.

and from http://dickatlee.com/issues/911/lindauer_extreme_prejudice.html

“Extreme Prejudice” … ‘as a military/intelligence term refers to a person marked for destruction, a usage not inappropriate here.

Susan Lindauer, the second cousin — and eventual victim — of George W. Bush’s chief-of-staff Andrew Card (and others), is an anti-war and anti-Iraq-sanctions activist. Bur she was also the “backdoor” intelligence Asset for the U.S. government, under handlers from the CIA and Defense Intelligence Agency, for communication with the Libyan government regarding the Lockerbie plane bombing (they didn’t do it), and with the Iraqi government in the year prior to 9/11 and in the lead-up to the Iraq War. She had come to the intelligence community’s attention for having earlier passed on a warning — unheeded — about the 1993 WTC bombing.

Throughout 2001 she personally communicated to the Bush administration a series of increasingly specific and frantic intelligence warnings about an impending attack in NYC involving hijacked airplanes and the World Trade Center. She was also the backdoor negotiator with the Iraqi regime over “WMDs,” and had managed to obtain Iraq agreement with all U.S. demands, only to have that agreement ignored and suppressed by an administration intent on war. Angered by the administration’s and Republican leadership’s subsequent attempts to blame 9/11 and the eventual Iraq quagmire on the failure of the intelligence community to provide adequate intelligence, she went to Congress to lay out what she knew, and was promptly arrested, accused of being an Iraqi spy, and eventually sent to prison for “psychiatric evaluation” and an attempt at stereotypically Stalinist forced drugging.

Extreme Prejudice is the story of the events involved in the role she played prior to her arrest, and the ghastly Kafka-esque story of the years of torment that followed, orchestrated by the Patriot Act and the judicial system corruption and fraud it has facilitated. The book is a wakeup warning call to Americans about that Act and the destruction of our basic freedoms it represents.’

Don’t know why Sibel sent us to Hill’s bio as it wasn’t interesting at all: She grew up in England, vacationed in Ireland, yadda yadda yadda

I love Sibel’s analytical skills, Pepe’s way with a phrase, but someone has to put this mess into simple blunt terms – a small group of paranoid, avaricious personalities are exploiting the Majority’s inherent passivity via governments, military and corporations.

This insidious web is too tangled to play ‘here are the dots, let’s see if you can connect them’. Someone has to give context to all this – and say it plain. The questioning may have been blunt, but it also opened the door wide open for Sibel to be equally as blunt.

That’s how things get done in NZ – I wish the rest of us were more like them.

Thank you, Sibel, for giving voice to the irate minority.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4Zxt6qr3sc

Pick

I was not surprised that Kim Hill of Radio New Zealand National didn’t show any interest in this information. We should be grateful to her and this mainstream outlet for just having this interview with Sibel.

1) What are the crimes Snowden is exposing?

The gathering of all of our digital communications, regardless of individual justification, as you mentioned. But the host mentioned a few private companies, which was semi-misleading. Everything is being recorded and analyzed, not just everything from a few private companies.

2) Would [a person] support Snowden, without prior knowledge/education about government wrong-doing/corruption?

Again, the emphasis on everything being recorded, stored, and analyzed, I think, brings anyone who is able to realize this fact, to support such an exposure.

So, to me, this points to a question about whether or not the average, Dancing with the Stars, suburban happy, beautiful person actually realizes what is happening. I imagine that this realization, especially if brought about in the context of the Fourth Amendment, would bring about disagreement/distaste with the NSA’s activities.

What you mentioned, about listening to NPR or other MSM and receiving the information with their slanted context (i.e. talking about using contract employees, as I heard them driveling on about on PBS, or other hum drum details, instead of the context of the Fourth Amendment) is the only reason that the majority would not offer support to Snowden. It’s because they have no realization of the truth in the proper context.

So, while I understand your honest answer, I would like to qualify my understanding of it by asking you: Is it more the case that you would have been more susceptible to mind-numbing propaganda, that was intentionally clouding your ability to realize what was actually happening, before your whole ordeal?

I feel like you are too smart not to have supported Snowden in the hypothetical situation, as long as the information was presented to you accurately and rationally

(Maybe I’m just unable to take this test myself, after being suspicious of government since I was maybe twelve years old. But I do think it’s more about rational logic than was discussed.)

Thanks, Sibel, and thanks to the host for a great interview. I know I will pass this one around. And, as Richard mentioned above, the last question does help us consider how better to reach out to more of the propagandized – to help them realize what is actually happening.

Regards
Mariusz

The point of propaganda is not merely todisinform, but to make us stupid as well. Corbet contradicts himself more than once in five short minutes, saying what one means and in an intelligible way would only lead to serious discussion. Making highly polished but utterly vapid and facile presentations like this keeps people oooo-ing and aaaaah-ing and prevents any constructive analysis.

And at this black art Corbet is a master. When will Sibel come to her senses and send him back to Langley?

RT and Press TV are of course also on the side of accuracy here, though the Russians and Iranians are not entirely trustworthy either.

It’s an empty feeling, isn’t it?

thanks.

Pepe’s a treasure as are so many here at BFP.

What we need to do is unite against these literally evil forces and bring our individual strengths to the battle.

WE AS A PEOPLE HAVE BEEN “GUIDED” TO WHERE WE ARE TODAY.
Don’t we ever consider the News and “who is behind the story”
Evidently not!
So why do these things happen? Are they really a surprise?

If we have all this “unrest” and civil-disobedience going on all over the world, why? should be the question. Where do we find the answer to this question?

Try looking at who controls the media and the “propaganda” that has flowed past our eyes.
As the old proverb tells us, “follow the money” and the “power elite”.
http://rense.com/general72/sisi.htm

the white house of shadow tells us they have CIA ‘proof’ of Assad sarin gas use, and now US are going to go in deeper. ESCALATION . CIA proof. Can you imagine anything with less currency in the world at the moment?

Re your comment as to “a citizens’ foremost duty”, an oath that Sibel did not include is the Naturalization Oath of Allegiance that all immigrants becoming US citizens must make – here is an exerpt “that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic”. I believe it can reasonably be inferred therefore that this is a duty incumbant on ALL citizens, just as Sibel states.

As to your last paragraph, I don’t view “mobilizing tens of thousands of average citizens” to support the government’s view of Snowden as a criminal as positive. As the saying goes, with friends like this, who needs enemies?

As far as “what is considered a citizens’ foremost duty under our Constitution,” it’s my understanding that a citizens’ obligation is to abide by the laws of the land (i.e Constitutions, state and federal). Public servants have a different obligation, which is defined by the oaths they take.

Indeed, from the perspective you’ve outlined, the petition is somewhat misguided, though IMO donilo252525 has done a better job in tactfully pointing that out with fewer words.

To their credit, the petition drafters have succeeded in mobilizing tens of thousands of average citizens to get off their butt and contact the White House in support of Snowden. That speaks for itself, and to stand in judgment of the intent behind each of the signatures, which you’ve done by inference, is simply unfair.

The system is “rotten” but which will naturally resist and fight back any attempts to change it. The wireless mesh network internet seems to be the approach of building alternative “wholesome” communities that then need to choose how much to build away from the awareness of the current powers in order to avoid being attacked as a threatening example of a viable alternative, and how much to openly question and attempt to change the current power structure. I have admired this website as an example of the latter, but maybe you are actually or also looking more to recruit/rescue for the former. Which I find motivating.

Just for fun, an old poem I wrote:

Corp
or ate greed:
(“O” ration)

ingredients:
(“c” or “p” or a “t”
ion)

oration:
(“AT I-ONSCO”
– rp! –
“O rat ions!”)

Unfortunately this author must have been napping – for example, during a Q&A session when “Commander in Chief” Obama declared Bradley Manning “guilty;” or as he pushes to establish the NDAA in his fiefdom; or any time he opens his mouth, and inexplicably lies tumble out in a steady stream, blocking any possibility of a word of truth to appear.

At the same time, no matter what the root of the issue for this petition may be, it is a blaring irony in the face of the Corporate Coup that has taken over the government of the United States. This Coup will only be turned around by citizens like Edward Snowden. Let us all take up the challenge he has passed on to us – to not allow this “incident” to disappear amidst the smoke & mirrors of our propaganda media.

donilo

Hey, kid! How ‘ya doin? Remember me from the Great Lost Bear with Richard Gage after the showing of Experts Speak Out?

You know, it’s possible, if you use a different browser, like maybe Internet Explorer if all else fails, that error may go away. I use Chrome, but there are still things it can’t do, and I have to revert to Firefox to use Disqus, for example, because in Chrome the type is tiny tiny. IE is usually the most capable for the latest XML stuff, but I avoid it when possible for intrusion reasons.

Great to see your sig —

JSC in Portland.

Contrary to popular perceptions Wall Street’s economic prosperity is NOT indicative to the health of the U.S. economy. Wall Street is global. Wall Street’s first fiduciary responsibility is to the investor; a very small minority which Occupy Wall Street protested against. If we want to hit the globalist bankers the first thing I would suggest is pull out of the WTO and all so-called Free Trade Acts. Only then can we go after the privatized Federal Reserve and bring down the house of cards.

http://www.forbiddenknowledgetv.com/videos/endless-war/the-atomic-cafe—full-film.html
Endless War ‘The Atomic Cafe’ – Full Film
http://www.forbiddenknowledgetv.com

You did not grow up in this country. As somebody who did but who has become aware thanks to people, such as you, I have both experienced the apathy and now observe it in others. I say we plead guilty but with an explanation. The explanation is this. We have been hypnotized, manipulated, programmed, and demoralized by the very beasts you’ve uncovered. And while on the subject of said beasts let us not forget that whether or not you or I believe in such things those beasts actively worship Satan and eagerly sacrifice human lives as part of their ancient rituals. On 911 a very symbolic sacrifice was staged on a day with great occult significance while a giant likeness of the Colossus of Rhodes, the sun god, Lucifer, almost smiled while standing witness in NY harbor. (Google it!) Remember, even if such ideas seem silly to you, this is why those secret societies are so secret.

Our secularized (by “elite design”) society has turned away from God, thus serving the interests of the one who gives power and wealth to the “elite”. Even in ancient times, God’s people had a way of turning towards the disgusting (to God) habits of their idol (devil) worshiping neighbors. Not much has changed in 6000 years.

In a previous podcast with Mr. Pepe Escobar & Peter B. Collins you were speculating why suddenly the US “corporate media” was changing its opinion. First the Chechens were “Freedom fighters” and now they’re “Muslim radicals”. You three mentioned a number of factors that are in play in that region. But, in my opnion, you failed to connect the most obvious dots. All the issues playing in that region do play an important role. But connecting Chechnya with Syria, Lebanon, Iraq or Iran is too far fetched.

I simply would use “Occam’s razor”. The neighbour of Chechnya is Georgia. And Georgia is slated to/wants to join NATO in 2014. Demonizing Chechnya (“Muslim terrorists”) would provide NATO & the US additional reasons/enough cover to let Georgia join NATO. “We must increase support for Georgia in order to support the country against those evil muslim terrorists from neighbouring Chechnya. And that’s why it’s very important to let Georgia join NATO”.

I therefore wouldn’t be surprised to see more coverage on “those evil chechen muslim rebels” in the coming weeks/months. It would fit what happened with the KLA in Kosovo.

For me this is the most straightforward explanation. I hope you are willing to reply to this theory. What Do you think of this theory. It’s the most plausible and rational explanation.

Willy2

I tell you what, though: I am spreading the word about your work every day. A Turkish gentleman asked to be my friend on Facebook. His English is not so hot and my Turkish of course is zero. But I use Google translator, and message him first English then the Google version. He had heard of Susurluk, but was shocked to learn some of the things you have revealed recently. I told him to drop you a line in Turkish here.

At this point, I am no longer able to stomach MSNBC or Current TV as I did during the election. I heard one of Peter B’s podcasts (I’m glad to be indirectly supporting him also) an interview with Dave Lindorff which was linked without a paywall through a web page that included top-quality images of the Craft International guys, and I shared this with a smart young woman at work — never would have guessed she’s a scholarly Truther, and devours everything I share of yours, like your amazing Gladio B series. I’ve had the Gladio A (Timewatch) linked on my Recommended Resources page for years (http://www.proudprimate.com/Recommended%20Resources.htm), so this business with Graham Fuller just makes too much sense. All the pieces seem to be falling in place, right back to Iran-Contra. Today, even Coverup Queen Lee Hamilton told Robert Parry that if he had known about a certain document Parry emailed him, he would have confirmed the October Surprise. (http://consortiumnews.com/2013/06/08/second-thoughts-on-october-surprise/)

Anyway, so proud to share a little bit of this cutting edge work, dear lady.

This is key and explains why Cheney under C.O.G. was “in a secure location” in the following weeks/months after 9/11. From one angle it looks like paranoid behavior on the part of Cheney. Seen alternatively, it was a proactive response on the part of the high-perps to see if they were gonna ‘get away with it’. It’s clearly paranoid now — accepting the official narrative (which I don’t) — to think that a ‘state of emergency’ footing is in any way necessary to protect the ‘homeland’. The ongoing ‘state of emergency’ only serves as a legal framework to hogtie real investigation.

You wrote: “And would it not be a matter of national security for the President of the United States to know what Americans are thinking as the USA remains in a state of emergency since 911.”

A very fine article. However, if I am not mistaken we have been under a “State of Emergency” since March 9, 1933. Yes, this act has been furthered codified under the PATRIOT ACT and subsequent legislation. Am I correct? If not could you please clarify why?

http://www.barefootsworld.net/war_ep.html

I am reading the book now.

My epiphany occurred when playing professional football. It happened one day when at practice after running a route and coming back to the huddle. It hit me like a bolt of lightening. I realized then that I was on the grid; Yeah, the sucker grid. I resolved that I was involved in a system which cannot be satiated and the price of flesh is nothing but bread and circuses to distract ourselves from what is important.

Recently I was talking with the head of NYPD’s Facial Recognition unit. It was a friendly conversation and the gentleman was truly intrigued about professional football. He asked me why I never wrote a book about being on the “bubble.” FYI – The bubble is about a player on the verge of being cut from the team because of the number’s game. I told the gentleman that I moved on and said there are far more important things in life than sports. I could feel an almost palpable rejection of what I said. Mind you, I was not dismissed, but it told the gentleman that I was aware and that he figured me out wrong. Perhaps when enough Americans realize they are on the bubble true “change” can be affected. Moreover, Schopenhauer has illustrated his steps of cognitive recognition and we can take comfort that human aspirations are not static.

And that’s just it. The FBI figured you out wrong. And, I got figured out wrong not just in sports but my search for the truth. Sometimes I wonder if its in our DNA?

Your words ring so true:

“My answer is one of the most unpopular, if not the most, in the eyes and ears of the public. My answer is one of the most unpopular, if not the most, in the eyes and ears of the public.”

Excellent. Your efforts have really helped round out my understanding.

May I suggest one more step along a philosophical plane that may be even less popular, yet critical? (smile)

After breathing, the most fundamental human endeavor is the acquisition and consumption of food. Humans are omnivores — we can survive as vegetarians — but we are omnivores (veg/meat eaters) nonetheless. We kill to eat. Attractive as the thought may be we cannot grab a handful of sand and make oatmeal. Thus would be my question to God: Why must we kill to eat/survive?

The point. Any human being who spends any time investigating the factory food system should reel back in horror. The treatment of the animals and the land is thoughtless and cruel beyond belief. When by ‘our’ cruelty we break this oath with the domesticated animals we keep to sustain us, then what chance is there for moral and just treatment of our fellow brothers and sisters? None. Until we form a moral food system from the ground up and understand ‘why’ we did so, we humans will morally drift.

These thoughts were worked out with a long time friend who now raises some of the happiest laying hens one’s ever seen. Chickens are great a great meditation. Chickens don’t lie.

Thanks again, Sibel, your contributions are legendary.

Peace,

PeterM

A number of years ago some associates were targeted by a congressional investigation (witch hunt if you will) and software developed by a private firm for identifying terrorist networks was deployed against them. When the “State Secrets Privilege” was codified under Eisenhower it was already clear that the capture of the state by private interests was very far advanced.

Individuals do have choice and I am grateful for yours Sibel, and others of like mind who have seen behind the curtain and chosen to speak out publicly. I helps to have some bits of clarity in the fog of this ‘information age’.

A cynic

This is “Pick” from your facebook page. I just joined and contributed to Boiling Frogs and look forward to your fine commentaries and from the other forum members too.

Keep up the great work, Sibel.

Clay & Shawn Pickering

Please send me a note via contact page- we are honored to have people/supporters like you. You’ll have your account/membership/access whether you pay or not; just let me know and I’ll have our admin set up a complimentary account when you need it. Thank you.

But I did allow myself an extra indulgence last week: I obtained a copy of “Dollars for Terror: The United States and Islam” by Richard Labéviere, who quotes Graham Fuller:

“The policy of guiding the evolution of Islam and of helping them against our adversaries worked marvelously well in Afghanistan against the Red Army,” explains a former CIA analyst. “The same doctrines can still be used to destabilize what remains of Russian power, and especially to counter the Chinese influence in Central Asia.” In a certain sense, the Cold War is still going on. For years Graham Fuller, former Deputy Director of the National Council on Intelligence at the CIA, has been talking up the “modernizing virtues” of the Islamists, insisting on their anti-Statist concept of the economy. Listening to him, you would almost take the Taleban and their Wahhabi allies for liberals. “Islam, in theory at least, is firmly anchored in the traditions of free trade and private enterprise,” wrote Fuller. “The prophet was a trader, as was his first wife. Islam does not glorify the State’s role in the economy.”

Apparently it was not obvious in 2000 that “Statism” was a brush to tar the Liberals with, a word used only by Libertarians and Austrian Economists. Now it is quite obvious. The Koch brothers would use the same diction as Fuller, to laud any group they liked.

I can remember as a boy reading Superman comics, that situations such as fighting for the survival of our planet were reserved for the heroic deeds of the man of steel. Lo & behold these terms now actually apply in real life, and you, Dr. Edmonds, wear your cape with pride; and we’ve discovered that the “S” stands not for Superman, but for Sibel!

Just having some fun, but my admiration and respect for you and your work runs deep, and I join millions of others, I’m sure, in offering my thanks for your continued efforts.

Can anyone else add any more information about this man? Could he, like Osama bin Laden, have been a CIA asset for many years until his usefulness was depleted?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=kvLYkeHSMhI

What is happening in Turkey? As I have predicted three months ago:

Is Turkey heading for revolution?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZ1Tth1RTV4

Just one of the reasons why this is happening:

Regardless of Mr. Quiggin’s credentials, he certainly does NOT understand the economic function of gold.

First and foremost, gold is wealth. If one owned a Picasso we would agree that that is wealth. Think of an ounce of gold as a piece of that painting; and for proof if one puts enough coins on the table one would own that whole painting. Gold is wealth because humanity has selected it time and again for thousands of years. Gold is divisible while, happily, the masterpiece is not.

Gold has been rising for a dozen years because we are facing the spectre of unpayable debts. When a debt fails its value drops to zero. A gold coin in the hand is still a gold coin in the hand and its value never drops to zero. Never. Again, when DEBT FAILS its value drops to ZERO. ‘Quantitative easing’ is a euphemism for bailing out bad debts. The ‘Too Big To Fail’ banks issued and sold a vast quantity of bad debts. The risk with quantitative easing is eventual inflation due to currency debasement. Again, gold will perform as a ‘store of value’ because while dollars can be printed, gold cannot.

One oft hears repeated that “gold is a barbarous relic.” Keynes is supposed to have said that, but he never did. What he said was that “the GOLD EXCHANGE STANDARD is a barbarous relic.” On this point we agree. Paper currencies and electronic digits are a far more convenient and efficient ‘medium of exchange’. Gold’s function is as a ‘store of value’. Oddly, the higher the price goes the more efficiently a fixed quantity (ounce) stores value.

When I was a lad a gallon of gas cost $.25/gallon (1963). Today, using that SAME 90% SILVER QUARTER one can STILL buy a gallon of gas with gas priced at $4.00/gallon. Ah, inflation.

Note: The difference between gold and silver is that silver is an important industrial metal while gold is not. Secondly, gold is kept by central banks as reserves (savings) while silver is not. Saving gold, therefore, does NOT harm the larger economy while hoarding silver and driving up its price likely would.

I took a few minutes to write this as a hopeful service to the BFP community. I AM NOT A FINANCIAL ADVISER. Do your own research and your own due diligence. There is a whole lot more to understanding money, but, like geo-politics (as Sibel, et al tells us), there’s a lot of misinformation and disinformation to work through.

PeterM

Have you tried this link to the forum from the menu above?

http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/forums/

Thanks, Bill.

What I would like to see now is a translation of the code phrases that are used to maintain the veneer of “benevolence” in the governments actions not only to secure the support of the US population but also to maintain the protagonists own self deception. I particularly liked “Third World bullies” (a euphemism referring to U.S. puppet dictators who stop following orders).”

For example, what does “National Security Interests” mean? Grab and control any and all economic and financial resources of a country regardless of local consequences? Or, what does “National Security Strategy” mean? Any overt or covert action that will accomplish the above?

I’m sure my interpretation of these terms is very crude and unsophisticated, so, I’d appreciate a more refined and nuanced translation of these, and all other expressions, that are so ofter used as code terms within the Establishment to maintain their self denial of their own sociopathic behavior.

I have learned so much here and can honestly say that BFP has changed the way I think about my own life and the world outside. I would humbly call BFP the most important information & analysis community in my generation.

You’re really doing terrific at communicating the need for and existence of the joining of forces to fight against imperialism and tyranny. I thought you and Mr. Cobb hit the nail on the head with your comments about “before we even get to political philosophy, we need accountability and justice.” [paraphrasing]

The corruption is so pervasive that all good people can come together to work for justice. I’m so glad that point is at the front of your mind and that you’re able to speak so clearly about it.

Thanks!

Context should be considered with statements about truth. What I read was “tarpley’s humorously mean, but has a point.”

I don’t think he is valid so I suggested separating your own concerns from his. My comments on timliness were a direct result of the mixed context of your request.

Constructive ok by me. Thanks!

As for your other request, how long does she have, in your book? What’s your deadline? Have a little patience. Look for another roundtable with Pepe and Peter B, where this was discussed openly. Maybe post your comments there, instead of on this thread, where your comments about the topic are confounded with the distraction.

Moreover, despite what Roberts’ bemoaning of trade deficits and capital flight would have us believe, the economic elite of the US is not suffering from the money drain, the distinction between Western and ME or Asian capital is entirely specious. At the top of the global food chain are the same predators, all tied to one another. If the trade deficit was hurting David Rockefeller, there wouldn’t be one.

One way the ruling class perpetuates itself as an oligarchy is to occupy those spaces where people acquire knowledge and control what gets said. This article is a nationalist rant, not a critique of capitalism, a wolf camouflaged as a sheep. For a real discussion of capitalism and its origins, Polanyi’s “The Great Transformation” is a good place to begin.

Photos from Turkish protests and brutal crack down
https://www.facebook.com/nar.photos

Michigan woman dies in Syria fighting for opposition: family

Fri May 31, 2013 2:05am EDT
(Reuters) – A 33-year-old Michigan woman and convert to Islam has been killed in Syria while fighting with opposition forces against the government of President Bashar al-Assad in the country’s civil war, her family said on Thursday.

There are real answers to these questions as well as solutions. Actually one solution, which has been presented in 133 different ways so far

http://www.youtube.com/user/aristosamar/videos?view=0&flow=grid

Still, thanks for very essential work of spreading the truth.
Mariusz

http://www.conservationmagazine.org/2011/06/greener-pastures/

“…the transcendance of global corporate government over the nation-state.”

Precisely, Ishmael, the rhetoric that attends the real project and its goals. Professor John McMurtry has made the observation that what is really being attacked is “any lived alternative”, and they go about it with self righteous and relentless diligence.

Here’s something that might cheer you up. It’s an interview on Coast to Coast with Karen Hudes, a whistleblower from the World Bank. Somehow she has managed to maintain a sunny disposition. The interview begins at Hour 2:

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2013/05/25

I appreciate your optimism. I think I need to move to a better climate, where I can see that glowing warm thing in the sky more often.

One comment on your analogy: once the fish’s head has started to rot, it is unlikely that it will swim again.

Might be good for compost. Though it might be an inorganic cyborg fish at this point. A drone.

>>Our respected colleague Mikhail Korchemkin of East European Gas Analysis brought to our attention an intriguing comment contained within the The April issue of Blue Fuel newsletter of Gazprom-Export Global Newsletter.

In the article on Page 12, Russian Foundation for Energy Security Director Kostantin Simonov, is quoted as saying:

“The construction of this pipeline would mean to spit in the face of Russia and the real risk may be that of a military conflict, in front of which Russia will not pull back.”

As Mikhail commented: “It does look like the state-controlled Russian giant threatens war with Azerbaijan and Turkmenistan over the pipeline project; doesn’t it”?>>

No, it doesn’t. To begin with, the alleged quote comes from an English summary of an Italian article by one Demostenes Floros, published in 2012. In his summary of his article that he published in Blue Fuel, Floros doesn’t bother to reference this alleged statement by Konstantin Simonov. Was it public or private? But even if Simonov said something like this publicly what it has to do with Gazprom? Simonov has no relation to this company from what I see in open sources. He is a political scientist and the owner of a private company with the misleading name Fund of National Energy Security. I doubt that Medvedev, former intelligence officer and specialist on Western Europe, would use such a dumb and compromising way to articulate Gazprom’s, that is Russia’s, position re the Trans-Caspian pipeline.

It is good to be among good people. I am advocating a very general strategy that goes beyond exchanging ideas and information on sites such as BFP. I hope that you are being too pessimistic when you say that the government is “totally corrupt”. I would say that the fish rots from the head, and the worst corruption is at the top of the executive branch, in the various security agencies, regulatory agencies and in the Federal Reserve. The reach of this gang extends into all branches of government at all levels, but at the lower levels most people are not corrupt, they are trying to do an honest job and are just uninformed or misled. Although they may not like the way things are going, they don’t think they can do anything about it. I think this applies to many legislators as well as judges. It could also apply to your mayor, your city council, your school principal or your minister or your police captain. I think our strategy must be to try to get through to such people. To get through to them you have to get to know them. This takes patience and persistence but it is possible. As I said, I see this as our responsibility as informed, educated citizens – it’s up to us to lead, to educate, organize and activate our fellow citizens to restore a government of, by and for the people. That is what some people did back around 1776, and we can do it too. It takes an informed, active minority to change things – such as the irate minority here at BFP.

I took a listen – there was no apology. I wouldn’t give him the time of day. Thanks for the heads-up anyway.

It does sound like he might be reading here, so @Tarpley: You are a dick and you know it. There’s your ad hominem. I know you’re proud of yourself, but you’re still a dick.

Honestly, there’s been a lot of talk about strategy in the comments here, but I really don’t see anything valid except what might take place in a criminal courtroom. The government is completely corrupt. Unless we have some prosecutions for corruption, war crimes, US sponsored terrorism, etc., I don’t see things changing away from the GWOT, security state, fascist narrative.

I still find refuge here at BFP, as it is the closest thing to a justice oriented, evidence-based, criminal investigation available. That’s why it works to have such variety in the perspective. The whistle blowers and excellent producers here all have my respect.

I just listened to Tarpley’s World Crisis Radio broadcast for this week and I heard what might be described as a backhanded apology from Tarpley to Boiling Frogs Post at in the last couple of minutes. It was framed as a plea that people at BFP should stop their ad hominem attacks and personal denigration of Tarpley. There was no admission by him that the reason for these attacks was that Tarpley had personally attacked and denigrated Sibel and impugned her integrity to me and others for absolutely no good reason, just out of pure ego. He richly deserved everything that has been said about him on this thread. That said, if Tarpley will now stop this childish behavior, I’m a man of peace who is always willing to forgive and forget. I’ll even apologize for calling him a “has-been”, because I did find his broadcast interesting and thought-provoking. I very much agree with his support for the Warren-Tierney Bank on Students Act which will requires the Fed to finance student loans at the same rate 0.75% rate that they not give to the “too big to fail” banks to back up their derivatives. But Tarpley needs to understand that this bill is complimentary to the Kaptur-Harding bill to restore Glass-Steagall in its original, ironclad form. The Fed must be required to invest in future productivity by financing education, and it must at the same time be PREVENTED from financing speculation. Glass-Steagall (HR 129 in the House and S. 985 in the Senate) breaks up the so-called TBTF banks and ends bailouts and quantitative easing, freeing up credit for real economic development, including education but also infrastructure. I repeat that Tarpley is hugely misleading everybody by calling this a mere “process reform”. It is a fundamental restructuring of the economy, a reorientation to production instead of speculation, just as it was in 1933 when it was originally enacted. As an economist and historian Tarpley knows this very well, and it is again only ego and competitiveness, in this case with the LaRouche people who have been leading the fight to reinstate Glass-Steagall for years, that leads him to say this. He should be ashamed of himself. I said he should never be forgiven for this, but again as a man peace I am willing to forget and forgive if he changes his behavior. He should strongly support Glass-Steagall, and the LaRouche people should strongly support Warren’s bill in return. This is the way to advance our common objectives.

So how about Citizen Lobbyists flooding Congressional offices, DC restaurants, etc., outnumbering, as it were, the Professional Lobbyists. This could follow the model of 350.org, while keeping its focus exclusively on Congress. I agree with Mr. Wicher’s continuation to also act within local governments, churches & organizations. That grass-roots organization is vital indeed.

My emphasis on the national level is made in hopes that changes from the top down will gain publicity, if only at first on the internet, and give aid to those brave few – headed chiefly by Bernie Sanders – in undoing the myriad of “laws” that are ripping our Consitution & society to shreds.

Here, let me just change one of Maher’s sentences from above:

“But there’s a reason people in (America) believe in so many conspiracy theories – because their governments are often so corrupt and evil, they are working behind the scenes to screw their people”.

There, fixed.

This is what Bill M sais [from the Cass Sunstein songbook]

“It’s often said that you can measure the health of a society by how readily it believes in conspiracy theories. …OK, maybe it’s not often said, because I just made it up, but it should be. Because it’s true.
Now, our fair country has its share of conspiracy theories, and we may have just added another: that the Boston Marathon bombing was a false flag operation designed to frighten the citizens so the government can take away our rights and our guns. Or something like that. I try not to click on those links so my IP address doesn’t get “pinged” in the FBI’s PND — Potential Nutcase Database.
But when anything major happens in America, you can set your watch and within 48 hours someone will be explaining to you how some nefarious group wanted this to happen, and also planned it. These are usually fringe, Alex Jones-type groups, but not always. The 9/11 Truther movement wasn’t exactly tiny, probably about the same size as the Ron Paul movement. Because they’re the same people. Then there are the Roswell/UFO conspiracy types, the U.N. black helicopter conspiracy people, those who think the moon landing was faked. Not to mention the people who think all the fat black women in Tyler Perry movies are actually Tyler Perry.
But nothing compares to the Middle East, where conspiracy theories are so pervasive you’d think the whole region was entirely backward and overly religious or something.
For instance, a 2011 Pew survey showed that 75 percent of Egyptian Muslims don’t believe that Arabs were behind the 9/11 attacks. They believe it was…oh, I’ll let you guess who they think did it. But it rhymes with “Da Blues.”
But there’s a reason people in the Middle East believe in so many conspiracy theories — because their governments are often so corrupt and evil, they are working behind the scenes to screw their people. And then blame it on America and the Jews. In the Middle East, people are also usually confined by a state press and have no history of not being lied to.
Also, we’re now in an era where, in addition to porn and bomb-making guidelines, you can see any amount of crazy information you like on the internet, whereas before you could only communicate with like-minded losers via ham radio or at a Star Trek convention.
But we should be way ahead of societies where everything the government does is greeted with automatic suspicion, and I’m not sure we are. In America, there seems to be a very thin wall separating those of us who are being critical and skeptical and those who are just being conspiratorial and crazy.
Isn’t that, you know, bad for democracy? ”

He kids us not. Bad for democracy.

It has taken me a few years to come to terms with the fact that most people are sheeple and will nearly always bow to authority. I guess I want to believe in this nation and I still think it doesn’t have to be this way forever. Hell, I would consider myself part of the herd until a few years ago and thankfully slipped through the cracks due largely to this website and others. Although there is undoubtedly a genetic component to this worship of power, I have a hope that we can outgrow this.

There is no excuse anymore. Anyone with a dose of curiousity about the true nature of power in today’s world (~1-5% of U.S. population?), will eventually find themselves going down the rabbit hole. How do we make Americans curious about what the government and other powers are really up to? Its hard to imagine anything but a cessation of bread and circuses that could deliver that. According to economists like Dr. Paul Craig Roberts and others, perhaps that’s exactly what we’ll get.

J Edgar Hoover would be very proud of the amount of dirt the executive branch must have on anyone with any say or power?

How much longer can this country survive with this amount of blackmail?

This may very well be the loose thread that unravels the Emperor’s clothes.

I think you should take a look at all of the materials available here.

It’s my understanding that Gulen wanted to overthrow the gov of Turkey and implement Sharia Law.

Who said what about Russia and the Shiite Muslim world knowing the truth?

Do you agree that maybe it would be preferable to take a look at the Gladio Series, Classified Woman, or just search the site? I know that when people in the technical forums I go to from time to time for work will always direct people to search the available materials before presenting their questions as new.

Not that I don’t value conversation, but at this point it looks like you have enough detailed questions to stop you from feigning ignorance.

Sibel has stated many times, and I think you will find her saying it in the Gladio Series, that the US has orchestrated EVERY major terrorist event, from the mid-1990′s until at least a few months after 9/11.

In a nutshell.

“…labeling official government participation as a fact…”

Could not happen w/out some inside help, some pirates and some patsies. That’s as accurate as I understand it. Sibel has contributed greatly in understanding motive, means and opportunity.

I haven’t had time to check out the podcast, but here are some links to the FBI’s terror related arrests, as well as an in-depth reporting of an operation trying to breakup Jihadi funding outfits in the US.
Some of the FBI’s arrests were reported in the press (I would have to a more intensive search), but many weren’t; certainly not to the extent that the Boston bombing has.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/ten-years-after-the-fbi-since-9-11/investigative-accomplishments/terrorism-investigations

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2013/04/22/bostons_jihadist_past

It seems that if an FBI agent cannot find a link to these groups and the CIA quite quickly, that’s one dopey agent.

Also, another basic question: Why would Al Qaeda be saying “We hate America! We hate America! Thanks for the cash America! We hate America!”
One could argue that the leaders in control are simply keeping the funding secret from their ignorant minions, but many of the Al Qaeda members are quite educated. It wouldn’t take long for them to uncover such a plot either.

Another question: are we to believe that it is only the American public and the citizens of NATO countries being lied to? That the Russia+Shiite Muslim world knows all of the truth, can claim all of the moral high ground since WWII, and not have been subjected to their own disinformation?

Final question: Why would Fethulla Gulen be kicked out of Turkey if Turkey is one of the corroborating NATO nations?

I’m not sure that you are getting the point I was making. I felt that Sibel’s comments were, probably unintentionally, labelling official government participation as a fact for most of the interview, and as unknown during her comments about her frustration with various truth researchers.

Although I think I have a good grasp of Sibel’s narrative, I am poiting out what I see as an inconsistency, in order to help clarify and defend against the perceptions and labels which have been applied to her by her detractors. I hope that my comments can be seen in this positive light and not as some kind of picture of my own bubble being burst.

I’d suggest that you might consider the purpose and process of compartmentalization. “It is complex, but it is also very simple.”

Today the whole world was fine, jes’ fine, once again. Why, stocks
rose and the dollar rose and the euro rose and the yen fell and pretty
soon there’ll be a chicken in every pot. Well, an artificial
GMO-chicken, at least.

Dow in Gold and Dow in Silver both rose today. Dow/Gold rose 0.15 oz
to 11.17 oz (G$230.90 gold dollars). Dow/Silver gained 14.28 oz
(2.13%) to end at 685.26.

Don’t let the Bear Get ‘cha
No Bear Market in Gold by Paul Craig Roberts

You know that gold bear market that the financial press keeps touting?
The one George Soros keeps proclaiming? Well, it is not there. The
gold bear market is disinformation that is helping elites acquire the
gold.

Watching the gold ETFs, such as GLD, being looted by banksters, Soros
cashed in some of his own paper gold for the real stuff.

With high production costs and falling gold price from constant short
selling in the paper market, Soros? bet makes no sense unless he
thinks gold is heading up as the short raids concentrate gold in elite
possession.

I have to say that I found this very confusing. Your comment helps, but I still find it inconsistent with the majority of the interview.

I won’t say any more about this, as it probably is frustrating for you – that’s not my intention.

Xicha

FROM COMMENT
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“The first step is to clarify who are we talking about? Is NATO US government? Are some of the top players, some former gov people, some outsiders, US gov? Maybe partly?
Because there is no reason to have the concepts exclusive. Is it possible that a certain tier (made of outside & inside gov)made it happen (as they specifically and publicly stated the need-think PNAC and alike), while another tier let it happen-think top tier FBI, etc.?”
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23:35
most troubling
most important of state secrets priv case
tying directly to 9/11

the prev shut down investigations (by early 2002)
produced evidence that made it very clear, that we, the us,
up to the time of 2001, up to 9/11, we had very close, joint operations
with Ayman Zawahiri, with Bin Laden … several Bin Ladens, including OBL
(high level us officials had) meetings in baku, azerbaijan
at least 3 or 4, 2 with zawahiri
included prince bandar
last one in 1999 in us embassy in baku

one was highest level turkish nato general
very high level religious figure

this made the entire thing with 9/11 and what the government was saying completely moot.
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29:25 NA says what Sibel brings up is probably the biggest scandal in US history
one of sibel’s fbi supervisors describes the scandal as bigger than watergate

documented evidence, gathered through counterintel,
hard evidence that not cia let muja do that. we officially official capacity met with them all the way until 2001. objective of meetings was part of wider operations linked to mujahideen. in 97/98 ops involved a lot of people trained in turkey nato airplanes took them to bosnia/kosovo. they came from official turkish nato planes to eastern block in europe. balkans focus and some chechen in 97 98

1999 azerb became a hub organizing smaller religious factions using gulen and 350 madrasas. us nato turkey strong english lang dept in madrasas. 100′s of american eng teachers in gulen madrasas with diplomatic passports. done through official channels. not “us saw muja and said we like that” planning to implementation were all taking place in wash dc. fully communicated with turkish arm of nato. was not the case of enemy’s enemy is our friend – that was not the case – other fbi agents would have testified to this if invited. didn’t happen becaues congress was gagged. courts were shut down.
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I just recently read an old newspaper article about Osama bin Laden just after the Embassy bombings (in ’98) and there was no mention of Al Qaeda.

PS – Sibel, how about “OmniHOP”? IHOP?

Sibel, a question please: what is the earliest instance that you’re aware of of bin Laden and/or al Zawahiri et al, as refering to themselves as “al Qaeda”? There’s a point to this question and the need for some precision, but I’d rather hold onto the reason just yet. Adam Curtis in ‘Power of Nightmares’ seems to indicate that it was only after 9/11. Thanks so much if you — or anyone else — can help with this.

I’m sorry that I thought I had to point out that I thought your statements in the podcast might lead to confusion, even though you prefaced them.

This clears it up nicely and I totally agree that no one needs to be pigeonholed into those narrow definitions.

The first step is to clarify who are we talking about? Is NATO US government? Are some of the top players, some former gov people, some outsiders, US gov? Maybe partly?

Because there is no reason to have the concepts exclusive. Is it possible that a certain tier (made of outside & inside gov)made it happen (as they specifically and publicly stated the need-think PNAC and alike), while another tier let it happen-think top tier FBI, etc.?

This is why I consider that discussion utterly damaging and self-defeating. It separates, thus, brings falsehood. Who said it had to be either or? Unless the executors are definitively and in detail named (with evidence), one cannot separate the two. Until then, both arguments ring true, while neither argument is absolute/correct.

Hope this short answer to a very loaded question does not lead to further misunderstanding. People must get out of narrow labels- must broaden the view point in order to take in the macro truth.

Now I have to ask, and I really don’t want to ask, but could you please explain further what you meant, when you discussed HOP and all of the various who-done-it qualifiers?

Here’s what I heard:
a) HOP definitions are a distraction and should be avoided.
b) You don’t see Made It Happen
c) You see Let It Happen at the top few levels.

Now, this goes against everything I have been arguing, based on the following statements from you:
a) This was not blowback
b) They were following orders from the US/NATO
c) Look at the MO of Gladio B, when thinking about 9/11

Some of these you said immediately following your statement about LIHOP.

So, I don’t want to talk about HOP definitions. BUT, after saying you don’t either, you gave us your opinion that it was LIHOP and not MIHOP!

Did I misunderstand? How can I reconcile your statements that this was not just useful blowback/useful terrorism/useful drug running/useful etc. with “I don’t see any Made It Happen”?

The way I have come to understand the terrorism on 9/11, ever since your 1st interview with Corbett, regarding orchestration of terrorism via Turkey and the Gulen Movement, on Dec 2, 2011, is that the US/NATO are orchestrating terrorism (also in Gladio B series).

I argue this against the statements of people like Webster Tarpley, who say Sibel is LIHOP. Maybe because you don’t talk about explosives etc. I argue that, because you talk about orchestration (funding, planning, logistics, protection), you are not to be labelled as LIHOP.

Yes, HOP definitions should be avoided, but I have to follow up on your statements in this podcast, because I think they will drive further criticism about your narrative, especially from people who have not taken the time to listen to it.

They should be avoided, primarily because of what you said right after you said they should be avoided!

Sorry and thanks in advance for putting this to rest.

http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2013/05/21/podcast-interview-sibel-edmonds-on-the-u-s-governments-support-for-international-terrorism-heroin-organized-crime/

It speaks directly to your questions.

Yet, these are the days of the unknown unknowns. Its hard to get everything RIGHT in the liars paradigm. Which is why maybe the popular uprising appears to fall behind Assad and not the mercenary creeps shipped in on airNATO.

Verifiable facts stated in Sibel’s affidavits are beginning to seep thru the layers controlling the narrative like blood thru the bandage. They can no longer be ignored or, more to the point, denied. They are corroborated. They join dots at so many levels. Sibel has been proven RIGHT. This fear must be ringing the balls [sic] of power: – calling on whoever is left to seek and speak the truth.

Epic times.

With all due respect, simon, there is no ‘gold bubble’. Gold is first and foremost a ‘wealth reserve asset’. If you owned a Picasso that would be wealth, yes? Think of a gold coin as a piece of a Picasso… a piece of wealth that is practical, fungible and durable. As proof, if you had enough gold coins you could buy a Picasso, yes?

The dollar works fine as a medium of exchange and unit of account, but is failing as a store of value. That is what is meant when we hear ‘reserve currency’. Whether gold is $1400/oz. or $14,000/oz. it is not over-priced. Ever. It’s function is to store value. Whatever medium is used to store value WILL have its price distorted. But better that this distortion in price be in a material of minor industrial utility than, say, oil or copper which are necessary to the functioning of the economy.

If you haven’t yet read Classified Woman, I would highly recommend it. It will help you get s better sense of how there are honest hard working FBI agents, who are quite frustrated by the fact that they cannot follow through with much of the criminal investigations and prosecution. The people who are stopping them are at the top of the org chart. Not everyone is in on it and there are in fact whistle blowers.

The book will also drive home the true heroism and motivations of Sibel. When you get a sense of just how much she has sacrificed and just how much her testimony has been validated, I think it will aleviate any suspicions you might have. It is healthy to have skepticism, but there is a reason she is so highly regarded.

As for any terrorism prosecutions that don’t get media attention, it might be helpful if you mentioned a specific case, in order to get a sense of what you mean.

I would almost buy the appearance reason, except that not all of these arrests or terrorists are reported wildly in the press; hardly any of them are actually. There have been reports of large in-depth investigations by the FBI to track down these terrorists. It seems odd that FBI agents would invest time, money, energy chasing BS, also while not being able to figure out the CIA is behind the extremists all along. How do they choose who to arrest and who not to arrest? What summer camps to shut down?

I will admit I am new to boilingfrogs.com. I do not know enough about international relations to draw any conclusions from what I read. The problem with forming opinions about international relations is that often, those writing have their own agendas, opinions, loyalties influencing their interpretation on the facts. By extension,one could conclude that Sibel, (although I have found very little so far to discredit her) would come under that same suspicion.

I find this blog very informative, and Sibel’s conclusions legitimate, but this question has always been in the back of my mind, I’ve been just too afraid to ask until now.

And it’s so total that even the journalists whom one might pin some hopes on are afraid to go there. They might get Gary Webbed, and don’t they know it.

Project Censored tweeted the Ceasefire link, by the way, in case you hadn’t seen that. Good for them.

While your questions might seem almost too naive to anyone who has been reading/following Boiling Frogs Post, I think they are important basic questions.

Another question you can ask, to shed light on your questions, is: “Who benefits?”

Think about the MIC and Big Energy, for instance. Think about 9/11.

If you want to get the country to go to war, spending trillions of dollars, you need the terrorism, as well as the prosecution of alleged terrorists, to provide this narrative of endless war. If you hate our freedoms and want to crack down on them, through the Patriot Act and the NDAA, you need the terrorism, as well as the prosecution of alleged terrorists, to provide the illusion of sacrificing liberty for security.

Sibel’s book, Classified Woman, does a good job of describing the mindset of some in the FBI, when they see 9/11 as a positive event for their own benefit. Want a date cookie?

There are many other descriptions Sibel provides of this paradigm and theater of the Global War On Terror. I think the most important and useful is her series with Corbett on Gladio B – here’s part one of six:

My take is that the CIA, when necessary, will order the FBI to stay away from certain actors or organizations.

I relate to your impression of being “the local lunatic.” You are certainly not alone in your incredulousness at the fantasy world beamed onto our TV screens and utter, disgusting failure of the “official” media to acknowledge real world events. My gratitude for Boiling Frogs Post runs deep because it confirms that I am not insane.

If we truly have a free and independent press, then the content of Ahmed’s story should be the headline at every US news outlet. Clocks should stop and all other news be subordinated until all the meat on this bone is picked. The IRS is exposed doing what it has been doing for decades, but with no material consequence to anyone, and suddenly that’s all the mainstream media is talking about. Yet, Ahmed confirms an FBI whistleblower’s assertions of wholesale criminal and immoral activity by the US govt and NATO and the mainstream press ignores it.

Ahmed, through Sibel and others, confirms the fraudulent nature of the war on terror and the war on drugs, the free-for-all in global arms trafficking, the widespread use of blackmail and bribery to manipulate elected and non-elected members of govt . . . and the cherry on top of this pile of dung . . . the complete and utter intimidation of the mainstream press. To put it another way, the world is owned and operated by organized criminal rings. If I’m wrong, then this story will blow some lids and get serious treatment from mainstream US news outlets.

I’m not holding my breath. The only way this story becomes widely known is if the lowly common folk do the work – that’s you and me. But if you go down that road, then prepare yourself for the “buzzsaw” – the metaphorical backlash from the the criminals, their associates, and the sheep who graze on their propaganda. I’m the local lunatic in my community. Americans are the most mind-controlled people on the planet, and generally respond to truth with a blank stare.

I apologize for my rant. I am so sickened by the United States of Organized Crime – all the lies, theft, destruction, death, and suffering. At some point we will just have to say “no more, come what may, my life is not worth more than some innocent mother or child on another continent.”

Sancta Maria, Mater Dei, ora pro nobis peccatoribus,
nunc et in hora mortis nostrae.

She keeps a pretty straight face. Almost credible. Almost.

Bill Moyers, another gatekeeping useful idiot.

“What are GMOs?
GMOs, or “genetically modified organisms,” are plants or animals that have been genetically engineered with DNA from bacteria, viruses or other plants and animals. These experimental combinations of genes from different species cannot occur in nature or in traditional crossbreeding.

Virtually all commercial GMOs are engineered to withstand direct application of herbicide and/or to produce an insecticide. Despite biotech industry promises, none of the GMO traits currently on the market offer increased yield, drought tolerance, enhanced nutrition, or any other consumer benefit.

Meanwhile, a growing body of evidence connects GMOs with health problems, environmental damage and violation of farmers’ and consumers’ rights.”

I am leaning heavily toward this stance, and try to use non-GMO alternatives when I can, since I see GMO as more of a profit motive than a feed-the-world motive, and I don’t think it has been adequately tested. There was some French research that showed rats with tumors the size of tennis balls after eating GMO for a period of 90 days (which was apparently longer than the period used by the self-regulated GMO industry).

Here’s a Mother Jones article that discusses the French research:

http://www.motherjones.com/tom-philpott/2012/09/gmo-corn-rat-tumor

They say the results are mixed, because of the small sample size.

Either way, your statement #1 is particularly scary, as it blindly associates technology applications with progress, possibly at your own expense.

2. Chinese capitalism includes building empty cities to boost GDP.

3. If your greatest concerns are eating habits based on absolutely nothing other than tradition..

4. They’re hundreds of years behind.

5. Somehow, if you show the Afghans who are currently decrying due process the body of Graves, all will be healed. Except that they’ve already forgotten about it, and nothing will change.

I think showing Europe his body would have a larger impact.

Would you PLEASE consider doing a DVD with the Gladio Series for the next fund raiser?

Thank you!

I noticed the Russians are saying no backroom deal on Syria (though we’re not opposed to some compromise).