Podcast Show #20

The Boiling Frogs Presents Andy Worthington

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Andy Worthington provides us with an overview of America’s detention center at Guantanamo Bay and the plight of 774 individuals, most of whom are innocent of any terrorism connections. He discusses the general view of the US government and Americans held by many of those released, and the rarity of radicalization or revenge seeking among them. Mr. Worthington talks about the astonishing lack of interest and coverage of these cases and stories by the US media, President Obama’s failure in meeting the release deadline despite his promises during the presidential campaign, the number and current status of inmates released to date…and more.

Andy WorthingtonAndy Worthington is a journalist and historian, based in London. He is the author of The Guantánamo Files, the first book to tell the stories of all the detainees in Guantanamo Bay, and the co-director of the new documentary film, "Outside the Law: Stories from Guantanamo." You can visit his blog here.

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  1. Great interview ! I just started his book-The Guantanamo Files The Stories of the 759 Detainees in America’s Illegal prison- I enjoy listening to your shows and am thankful for all the speaking up and out you have done for our Republic Sibel. I heard about you from a lady friend of mine awhile back and have been following your work since. She said she you new ,but wouldn’t elaborate on how. Her name is Nursel Erkin, Although she lived in D.C and Santa Monica for quite some time, She spent her early years in Turkey and Iran. She was right, your absolutely wonderful. I look forward to your shows and am thrilled to be apart of the irate minority.

  2. All of you who believed in Obama before he got elected are now eating your just desserts. No one comes out of political obscurity and becomes president in less than a decade without inside help. People should vote their conscience, not propogandist teleprompter verbiage of a manchurian candidate. Any dark horse coming out of nowhere to win an election, or anything else for that matter, is automatically suspect. Yet the majority of folks find sticking their head in a hole a matter of primary convenience. It means they don’t have to think for themselves. Dark places are safe havens for the braindead.

  3. @Max: And, thank you!

    For related updates,reports, and stories you can visit Andy’s website here: http://www.andyworthington.co.uk Since we recorded interview 4 weeks ago there’s been several noteworthy developments on this topic…

  4. On the subject of Bagram, I saw this a couple of weeks ago, “Afghan officials agreed on Saturday to take over responsibility for the U.S. military’s Bagram prison north of Kabul, a move that could close a chapter in the troubled history of U.S. detentions since 2001 . . . Afghan personnel could be stationed in the prison by March, and could eventually take it over by the end of 2010, depending on how quickly they could be trained.”

  5. Hate to keep posting over and over but here are recent developments. The first pretty significant I think the second not surprising but interesting if you’ve followed the case of David Kelly.

    “USGS claims Venezuela sits on Earth’s largest oil reserves” and

    “70-year gag on Kelly death evidence”.

    What’s most interesting about the second one though is the way the government appears to be baiting any potential conspiracy theorists with the suggestion that Kelly might have been killed because he was a weapons inspector in Iraq and a source for a BBC story debunking government claims about Iraq’s weapons. This might have been part of the reason for his death. I’m sure it was an inconvenience but the info appears to be intended to misdirect even those skeptical enough to believe the government might kill someone inconvenient to them from the real story behind Kelly’s death. For that see here.

  6. Thanks again for another excellent podcast. Andy Worthington made, again, clear that at least 95% of Guantanamo’s prisoners were not at all involved in terrorism, and that none of the inmates can be justifiably shared among the worst-of-the-worst (a select group, to be admitted I propose that one should be politically responsible for minimally 1 million deaths).

    Andy’s picture of strikes me as a modern example of a strategy of tension (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategy_of_tension). This entails that it is a strategy by which world powers divide, manipulate, and control public opinion using fear, propaganda, disinformation, psychological warfare, agents provocateurs, and false flag terrorist actions. It is well documented that the pubic of Italy, Belgium, and Turkey have been the target of such a strategy. When a strategy of tension is now applied in the US, the detainees as such are irrelevant, they are not targets. In contrast the US public , their home-countries, and the public opinion of the world is targeted.

    In Europe it was making the public believe the non-existent threat of the political left (which in fact might otherwise have provided a benevolent influence).
    Which opinions are now to be engrained deeply in our minds? For example:
    – The existence of all pervasive global terrorism, where there is mainly CIA-controlled fear mongering.
    – The use of torture as surgical tool to extract life-saving information, while in fact it only destroys the minds and souls of the victims.
    – The notion that our governments guard over us, while those who control them want us first and foremost to remain in a state of fear.
    – To confuse the US sense of justice and to form a legal basis to deal with future dissenters.

    A question to Andy Worthington: Are there reasons why a strategy of tension might not be a good explanatory framework for your observations?

  7. Kingfisher says:

    “USGS claims Venezuela sits on Earth’s largest oil reserves”

    That’s dependent on the market price, only when the price is above $60 or $70 barrel or such and extraction in Orinoco is economically feasible. It’s also crap EROEI.

    Monroe Doctrine be damned, Venezuela and South America are perfect examples on how blundering we are when it comes covert action and statecraft, and how some of the nutters here are way off about how pervasively effective the CIA & co are. We have absolutely gotten our asses kicked in South America for the past ten years. Hugo Chavez should not alive; the opportunity was there…

  8. mcthorogood says:


    Dude, you need to crawl back into the hole that you came out of.

  9. opportunity?? what, to kill a man?? President of someone elses country?? the opportunity was there to kill?? what gives you the right to say that?

  10. @KF

    I presume you meant to say Hugo Chavez should not be alive. False. Save your jingoistic ravings and stick to the analysis you’re good at.

  11. Kingfisher says:

    “I presume you meant to say Hugo Chavez should not be alive.”
    Yes, thank you. He should not be alive. Perez should have killed him 1992 after Lt. Colonel Hugo’s first coup attempt, if not certainly after his second attempt. And Carmona and those jokers definitely should have sent him to the firing squad in 2002. It’s like amateur hour down there.

    Unfortunately Colonel Hugo has run his economy and country into the dumper faster than everyone else has theirs; and the same unwashed masses he allegedly championed will run him out of the country and into exile in Cuba.

  12. I guess that means this king fisher, sat up in the shadows, watching the pool, wouldn’t back the idea of that same firing squad employing its time better cleaning out the nest of thieves currently running another economy into the dumpster there in washington.

  13. Erm… getting back to the issue of oil…

    I know this is from the MSM and other frogs here will probably have different opinions and/or data, but, for what it is worth, I came across this today:


  14. Kingfisher says:

    “I guess that means this king fisher, sat up in the shadows, watching the pool, wouldn’t back the idea of that same firing squad employing its time better cleaning out the nest of thieves currently running another economy into the dumpster there in washington.”

    You lost me Nemo, I just don’t understand what you are trying to say. Camona and Perez are Venezuelan.
    Shadows and pools? Is that a euphemism for an indoor pool? I’m not sure they have indoor pools in Venezuela. Or are you trying to say that they should kill Hugo Chavez in an indoor swimming pool? This raises several issues: first, do we know if Hugo Chavez can swim or not? If so, does he frequent indoor swimming pools? I myself don’t care for indoor swimming pools, Nemo; I hate the chlorine air smell the buildings get. Second issue: what about the lifeguard? I mean bodyguards can be easily neutralized, but lifeguards sit in those tall freaking chairs and can easily spot you coming. That’s it, the lifeguard! Great idea Nemo, the lifeguard is the assassin! But that brings other problems. Lifeguards cannot conceal much in their work attire (swimtrunks). So they need to make a weapon into something else on him. I’m thinking those big red plastic things they carry around like on Baywatch, make that into a weapon – like a rocket launcher or something. What do you think Nemo?

  15. I think Kingfisher, that you’ve spelled Remo wrong.

  16. Has Worthington ever worked with Greg Palast?

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