Podcast Show #28

The Boiling Frogs Presents Professor Francis Boyle

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Professor Francis Boyle discusses the October 2001 anthrax attack, the technology behind the letter to Senator Daschle, and assesses the case based on his years of expertise with
America's bio-weapons programs, and as an expert who was responsible for drafting the
Biological Weapons Anti-Terrorism Act of 1989, which was passed unanimously by both houses of Congress and signed into law by President George H.W. Bush. He discusses possible motivations behind the anthrax attacks, including those held by criminal elements within the US government to foment a police state, and the investigation that never was. Professor Boyle talks about Israel war crimes as crimes against humanity, and more.

ProfBoyleFrancis Boyle is a human rights lawyer and professor of law at the University of Illinois. As an internationally recognized expert, Professor Boyle serves as counsel to Bosnia and Herzegovina, and to the Provisional Government of the State of Palestine. He is the author of several books, including The Criminality of Nuclear Deterrence published by Clarity Press. Click here for a more detailed bio.

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  1. I am actually in contact with a scientist who worked in the Fort Dietrick bioweapons program. For obvious reasons that person cannot reveal to me the nature of their work. I could discuss my own observations of biowarfare as it related to the possible genetic engineering of the AIDS epidemic. I mentioned the unusual fact that most viruses have 3 codons that express the gene, but in the case of AIDS there were 5 codons, which allows it to change so quickly under treatment. Further, sheep and bovine smallpox vaccines have 3 codons each. 5 of those are found in AIDS. I met a retired field agent who claimed to have helped introduce AIDS into central Africa. Much of this sounds like old news, and conspiracy news. I did try to locate the physician who originally made the claims about the codons and he was not listed with the AMA (American Medical Association). It was a bit of a surprise then to have this bioweapons scientist admit that it was common knowledge within the department that AIDS was engineered and that 24 microbiologists have been mysteriously eliminated including Kelly in England. I look forward to hearing what Professor Boyle has to say.

  2. Here is a great link for Professor Boyle.


    Faculty Lecture on Bio/Warfare/Terrorism/Weapons.

  3. Great interview Sibel! 🙂

    I have this link to Mr. Marty’s Report for The Council of Europe.
    It is quite long and has several links included in the body. Professor Boyle was wise to include this report in his quest for War Crimes prosecutions of Bush&Criminals. Seeing them at the Hague would be such a bright spot in my life…..


  4. Good show.

  5. theepitbull says:

    E.X.C.E.L.L.E.N.T Interview!

    More important is your willingness to explore such an important topics. Here’s my link concerning U.S. Government engineering AIDs:


    Hope it helps

    Love “Light” and Energy


  6. ZicaTanka says:

    @BFP: Regarding those,like Dan Elsberg, who feel conned (“on every single issue”) into voting for Obama, is there any concrete evidence that Obama is being forced; that the President is a puppet?

  7. The best damn show since Pepe Escobar. This is why I come here and why I donated. Teşekkür Ederim Sibel !!.

  8. World War 3 is on Prof. Boyle’s mind too? “Breaking up” of nuclear Pakistan sounds ominous. And with Iran, even “progressives” like my Rep. Grijalva signed onto the “Iran Refined Petroleum Sanctions Act” that states “Iran’s nuclear weapons program” as the reason. Doesn’t seem to matter that neither the Congressional Research Service reports nor the 2007 NIE support this statement. I hope to send a letter of support for Prof. Boyle’s efforts to the Hague. I remember reading about a biochemist–Dr. Wiley who died mysteriously a few years ago, his car was found abandoned on a bridge with the doors open, he fell off the bridge? That Agent Bowman discussion floored me. Anyone have any information on the PATRIOT Act “on Ashcroft’s desk before 9/11?” Grateful again for another amazing interview Sibel, Peter, BFP.

  9. kermit says:

    I’d like to thank Sibel, Peter, and Prof. Boyle for their important work in bringing this interview to us. I’m as happy as a frog able to leap out of a boiling pot to have found this site and if I break any posting rules forgive me as this is my first time here!

    One week after the 9/11 attacks anthrax-laced letters are sent out to several major news organizations and they are followed up a few weeks later by two more letters to U.S. senators; why? The timing of it and significant terror factor indicates that the letters were sent to show that terror can come from anywhere, at anytime, big or small and in something as innocuous as a letter from a grade school child. By sending the letters to the largest news outlets the story was assured full coverage from the start; sending them to Daschle and Leahy put the pressure on any civil rights minded legislator that they might want to reconsider their position on the Patriot Act.

    These are not the motives of a begrudged employee regardless of what kind of work that person does.

  10. Matt_Carmody says:

    Zica Tanka: “Is there any evidence that Obama is a puppet?”

    I don’t think anyone believes he’s a puppet. I think most of the people who voted for him think he’s a deceptive liar who posed and campaigned as one thing so that he could get elected to continue the policies of the odious administration that preceded him.

    Prof. Boyle cites the Batelle Corporation as a source of the anthrax. There were earlier reports that perhaps Bioport in Michigan was a source. The link below is to one of the best investigative websites ever operated by a true patriot, Mike Ruppert. There’s a s*itload of stuff there.


  11. dutchbradt says:

    I only hope that Professor Boyle has a better understanding of biowarfare agents than he does of depleted uranium. DU is not a radiation hazard even when ingested. Kidney failure would occur long before enough radiation dose could be delivered to produce observable radiation effects.

  12. @dutchbradt Leuren Moret is an acknowledged expert on depleted uranium. Take it up with her.

  13. dutchbradt says:


    Acknowledged by who? Is he/she a health physicist?

  14. criticalthinking says:

    Ms. Moret is not a health physicist.

    Depleted uranium is toxic but that doesn’t mean everyone making blog posts about the dangers bothers to check their facts. Claiming that more DU has been used than actual numbers results in an (unintentional?) claim that suggests DU is less harmful than thought – since if more material has been used then the consequences of a particular dose is not as bad.

    The internet gives a lot of freedom to everyone to spread their opinions but rarely are those opinions fact checked before posting. The trick with the flood of information, mis-information and dis-information to sift mere dissident opinions from well documented evidence of what is really going on. As John Judge says, “just because someone says the government is lying does not mean they are telling the truth.”

  15. dutchbradt says:


    The basis for determining DU toxicity is relating measured body burdens to observed health effects. Uranium toxicity is well understood. It’s effects are typical of all heavy metals which damage the kidneys.

    The health effects of internal radioactive contamination are also well understood. Sufficiently high doses of internal alpha-emitters can increase the risk if cancer. For bone-seekers like uranium, the risk is of bone cancer.

    Because DU and, indeed natural uranium have low specific activity (they are not very radioactive), the body burden required to produce kidney failure is quite a bit lower than that required for observably increased cancer risk. So if people are being over exposed to DU, this fact would show up as a high incidence of kidney failure long before any cancer increase could be observed.

    I just haven’t heard any reports of high rates of kidney failure either in Gulf veterans or Iraqi civilians supposedly exposed to DU. This indicates that any DU exposures of troops or civilians are pretty low.

    Attributing all imaginable diseases to an single toxic agent violates a basic tenet of toxicology: A specific agent causes a specific disease (or syndrome of related effects).

  16. theepitbull says:


    This is a little late in coming, but, it might prove useful:



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