The Sanitized Gulen Coverage Continues…

…and the Real Dots Remain Unconnected

In my last update I covered the recent multi-agenda driven, censored and sanitized media coverage of the Gulen movement. He seems to be back in the news (mainly Turkish media) again with the Flotilla Incident, and again, with unconnected dots, and unmentioned points and facts. Interestingly, the Turkish mainstream media coverage appears to be less sanitized.

IsraelGulenLet’s start with a recent piece published by the Wall Street Journal, written by someone we happen to know and like, Joe Lauria. Joe is one of the few, if not only, journalists who was granted access to Gulen for a direct interview (of course via translator(s) since Gulen doesn’t speak a single word of English, and let’s not forget his literacy level does not exceed the 5th grade!). As you‘ll see below, the fluff article reads like one of Gulen’s bios available on thousands of websites. Knowing Lauria, and his style, it’s not difficult to guess why: WSJ didn’t have enough space? WSJ wanted to limit the piece to a few fluff points related to the current headlines on Flotilla? WSJ doesn’t consider Gulen’s ties to CIA’s Graham Fuller, or Israel’s Abramowitz note or news worthy?...Well, okay, you get my point, right?! I don’t have any ‘real’ inside information on what went on with the WSJ and it’s editors, but I think my guess is as good as any of my informed savvy readers 🙂 Here is the article and a few excerpts:

SAYLORSBURG, Pa.—Imam Fethullah Gülen, a controversial and reclusive U.S. resident who is considered Turkey's most influential religious leader, criticized a Turkish-led flotilla for trying to deliver aid without Israel's consent.

Mr. Gülen said organizers' failure to seek accord with Israel before attempting to deliver aid "is a sign of defying authority, and will not lead to fruitful matters."

Mr. Gülen's views and influence within Turkey are under growing scrutiny now, as factions within the country battle to remold a democracy that is a key U.S. ally in the Middle East. The struggle, as many observers characterize it, pits the country's old-guard secularist and military establishment against Islamist-leaning government workers and ruling politicians who say they seek a more democratic and religiously tolerant Turkey. Mr. Gülen inspires a swath of the latter camp, though the extent of his reach remains hotly disputed.

Mr. Gülen has long cut a baffling figure, as critics and adherents have sparred over the nature of his influence in Turkey and the extent of his reach. Leading a visitor on Wednesday past his front corridor—adorned with a map of Turkey, a verse from the Quran and a photograph of a Turkish F-16 jet over the Bosphorus—he portrayed himself an apolitical teacher. "I do not consider myself someone who has followers," he said.

Okay, the rest is history; literally his bio. As you can see, not a word on the real stuff.

On the other hand, the Turkish press was not as audacious, and they couldn’t resist mentioning a few noteworthy points such as:

How Gulen has had the backing of the US-Israel Lobby

Lauria’s interview included the ‘Ergenekon’ topic & Sibel Edmonds’ infamous case

Then, there is this incredibly confused article at Asia Times on Gulen and AKP based on the Flotilla. I read the piece three times, trying to understand what it was trying to convey: simply a focus-less, aimless, pointless, jumble of facts, semi-facts and confused lines. You know I’m a big fan of Asia Times, do imagine my surprise…

Here is a rather bad opening, intended to be attention-grabbing and dramatic, but ending up as a cheesy attempt with worse to follow:

We've been had, boys and girls: the international community, the world press, Israeli intelligence, the United Nations, the lot of us. The existential drama off the Gaza coast turns out to be a Turkish farce, the kind of low comedy that in 1782 Wolfgang Mozart set to music in the opera The Abduction from the Seraglio, with Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan playing the buffo-villain Osmin and Turkish self-exiled preacher and author Fethullah Gulen as the wise Pasha Selim.

Gulen, who lives in Pennsylvania

in the United States, was silent as a jinn in a bottle about politics until last Friday, when he told the Wall Street Journal that the Free Gaza flotilla's attempt to run the Israeli blockage of Gaza "is a sign of defying authority, and will not lead to fruitful matters".

For the secretive Gulen to criticize the Turkish government in the midst of its public rage against Israel is an imam-bites-dog story. Gulen appears to have positioned himself as a mediator with Israel. Turkey does not want to end its longstanding relationship with Israel; it wants Israel to become a Turkish vassal-state in emulation of the old Ottoman model.

The star of the comedy, at least for the Turkish media, is Gulen. The 78-year-old imam has lived in self-imposed exile for two decades, due to charges by Turkish prosecutors that he led a conspiracy to subvert the secular state. He presides over Turkey's largest religious movement, commanding the loyalty of two-thirds of the Turkish police, according to some reports. His movement - a transnational civic society movement inspired by Gulen's teachings - also controls a network of elite schools that educate a tenth of the high school students in the Turkic world from Baku to Kyrgyzstan. And it reportedly controls businesses with tens of billions of dollars in assets.

His movement has been expelled from the Russian Federation and his followers arrested in Uzbekistan by local authorities who believe his goal is a pan-Turkic union from the Bosporus to China's western Xinjiang province ("East Turkestan" to Gulen's movement).

I am not going to waste more space for this piece, but please take a look at it and tell me what this hodgepodge is trying to convey; a convoluted, self-interpreted, and highly confused snap shot of Turkish Ottoman History, AKP, Gulen Movement, Flotilla, US Foreign Policy, all in one garbled article…and since I included the awfully cheesy intro, I must finish with this equally corny finale:

Gulen, in short, is a shaman, a relic of pre-history preserved in the cultural amber of eastern Anatolia. Kemalism was sterile, brutal, secular and rational; the "moderate Islam" of Gulen is magical, a mystic's vision of Ottoman restoration and a pan-Turkic caliphate.

The Erdogan government crafted the Mavi Marmara affair as a piece of theater, preparing the deus ex machina (god from the machine) entrance of Gulen himself, more Pagliaccio than Apollo, to be sure. The trouble is that the Turkish Islamists live in a world of magical realism in which theater and reality, human and jinn, desire and achievement blend into a mystical blur. Gulen explains in his The Essentials of the Islamic Faith that Allah created the jinn out of fire. And that is what the apologists for Turkish Islamism are playing with.

AbrFullFullNo one is mentioning why Gulen has been strongly backed by Israel, or, why he is such a loyal defender and supporter of Israel, especially the US-Israel lobby. No one is daring to mention one of his top backers in the US, another butler of Israel, Mort Abramowitz, or and how Abramowitz vouched for Gulen during his deportation hearing. No one is talking about Gulen’s other CIA bodyguard, Graham Fuller. No ‘real’ questions on Gulen’s ‘real’ sources of multibillion dollar funding…No emphasis on Gulen’s real role for the real US decision-makers’ use, and their strategy for Central Asia since 1997…

Some of these reporters have their hands tied by their MSM editors. Some of the semi- independent journalists have fallen for the creators of the smoke and mirrors. And others are simply guided by ignorance and utter dumbness emboldened by their arrogance. Well, they are just the latest being sold and fed garbage when it comes to Gulen.

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  1. Spengler, aka David P Goldman, is the loose screw at ATO. For a long time he was an anonymous contributor and there was ongoing speculation as to who he was. As far as I can tell, his opinion is in direct contradiction to ATO’s typical faire, beyond that, I’ve quit wasting my time trying to figure him out. However, because of the times in which we find ourselves, I did read this particular article searching for a clue and gave up. Now that I see that you have reached the conclusions that you have reached, I am going to conclude that he is cryptic disinformation that means something to somebody and quit wasting my time on him. So long, David P. Goldman

  2. camusrebel says:

    Granted you criticize the article as for the most part worthless, I would still be interested in your thoughts on:

    “two thirds of Turkey’s police” are followers.

    Could it be true? Would that go so far as to say they share his affinity for Israel?

    Only slightly off topic: What has anyone heard about Iran planning an attempt to run the blockade? Baseless internet rumor?

  3. Kingfisher says:


    If Gulen is under the thumb of Israel or the neoconservatives, why would they have him take the unpopular position of backing Israel over the flotilla incident?

    It would be counterproductive; the flotilla was a small scale incident, whereas the alleged Gulen plot to influence the Islamic world would be a long-term plan on a grand scale. If anything having Gulen condemn Israel over the incident would only consolidate his influence and benefit the long term program.

    I don’t get it.

  4. Kingfisher says:

    “Only slightly off topic: What has anyone heard about Iran planning an attempt to run the blockade? Baseless internet rumor?”
    Iran has announced that they would, but I haven’t seen any action to do so. Also kind of silly since Gaza does not have a seaport or large docks.

  5. camusrebel says:

    thanks Remo, although its 2 weeks old, ‘preciate it.

    Now the Senate passes more sanctions 99-0??

    talk about occupied territory, sheesh

  6. camusrebel says:

    ok, i see Hareetz sez the Iranians canceled it after “Israeli threats”, Saturday,6/26

  7. In today’s Haaretz:
    U.S. slams Turkey over UN vote against Iran sanctions; Turkey envoy says his country has to maintain credibility with Tehran.
    Sounds like AIPAC is alive and well. This confirms that Sibel is on topic with Turkey and provides important backstory for those of us without access to real news.

  8. Kingfisher says:

    “Sounds like AIPAC is alive and well. This confirms that Sibel is on topic with Turkey and provides important backstory for those of us without access to real news.”


    How so? Israel and AIPAC want to isolate and impose sanctions against Iran, whereas Turkey is engaging Iran and is against sanctions. This contradicts the Turkey as Israel’s proxy line. On the surface by most indications the Israel-Turkey alliance has collapsed.

  9. Soulfully to Kingfish: Fish or cut bait. Kingfisher’s a good bird. Why you actin’ like a turd? Israel spoof. You some kind o’ goof. Put down, like a clown. Burn baby burn. Fires of the Holocaust seekin’ your soul. Only way you can git whole, find Jesus and pray for Islam. Hey sounds like a slam dunk, punk.

  10. camusrebel says:

    wow, this has been a weird day and now it gets even more bizarre, as I feel compelled to actually defend something Fishy said.

    Simon, he made a valid point. If Turkey is thumbing its nose at US/Israeli led effort to have UN pass sanctions, does that not imply Ankara is turning against AIPAC/Likudniks?

    Love the little rap poem but let us try to keep things clear here.

    US Senate just passed a sanctions bill 99-0. House follows suit 408-8.
    That makes 598 AIPC bitches on their knees versus eight true Americans still in posession of their souls. The UN is pushing sanctions. Sanctions here, sanctions there, sanctions everywhere, against a peaceful nation that has signed the NPT.

    Israel has an arsenal, not just working towards peaceful energetic uses of a split atom, yet they have not signed the NPT.

    Who should we be sanctioning?

    All the lies and evil that is Iraq and Afghanistan only make sense if you understand their objective all along has been Tehran. Many huge US permanent military bases on their western border, Iraq. Many huge US permanent military bases on their eastern border, Afghanistan.

    Now the same crap about sanctions, sanctions, sanctions we used since the end of the first gulf war to gradually weaken Sadam’s forces. What, are we going to announce a no-fly zone next?

    Will “Not-at-Allbright” tell us how many million Iranian children are fair game?

    This madness must end. The Zionistas that have taken over our country, Congress and media must be outed. Israel itself must be de-created. Just reverse the process used to create it in ’48.

    Now there are rumors of a Zionista/Likudnik strike against Iran using Saudi air space, submarines, Azerbaijan and Georgia, oh my!

    Mossad is working overtime waging war by deceit. We cannot let ourselves be sucked in by this out of control maelstrom. American people, Iranian people are your brothers and sisters in peace. Do not allow insane “leaders” to create a divide that does not exist.

  11. please listen to the broadcast b4 entering into slander.
    Alan Sabrosky was my guest Tuesday 3/30 on The Kevin Barrett Show, 9-10 a.m. Pacific…

    “I have had long conversations over the last two weeks with contacts at the Army War College and the headquarters, Marine Corps, and I’ve made it absolutely clear in both cases that it is 100% certain that 9/11 was a Mossad operation.’ Period.

    “The Zionists are playing this as an all-or-nothing exercise. If they lose this one, they’re done…..” – Alan Sabrosky

    Alan Sabrosky’s forceful and unequivocal statement that the Israeli Mossad did 9/11 has sent shock waves through the 9/11 truth movement. Some have cheered his forthright honesty and heartfelt sincerity. Others are afraid of the PR blowback. A few have attacked Sabrosky, calling him a provocateur or even an anti-Semite, which seems odd since Sabrosky is part Jewish and obviously concerned for the welfare of Jewish Americans in the coming post-9/11-truth world.

  12. for me, as layman, this becomes the central point of the conversation.
    It is charged with super heated currents.
    I grew with total solidarity for the encircled and bullied and murdered peoples herded in the fascism of the time. to doe in their poor sad millions. That is where my heart lies. in that amorphous mass of humanity stricken by fellow humans into the lexicons of pain.
    For me, there is or WAS no discussion thawt allowed denigration of israel, because it passed into rascist slander very q

  13. Pardon me. That was just begun, a quantum slip of the posting finger. I shall punish it directly.
    To finish, therefore, since so bloody committed, I wished to say above, that the information generated indicating mossad involvement in the 911 atrocity has been painful in the extreme to contemplate,and has left me isolated in my own thinking, since my whole past has been focused -awoken – by the images the faces the horror experienced and passed down to us by the peoples of the holocaust . Never again! But, to ignore the evidence streams that ‘something else’ is going on here, 911 and post 911world – that another agenda hides- has arranged itself BEHIND this terrible legacy., this is a dilemma we have to face.

    Breaking his self-imposed rule against talking about 9/11, former Senior BBC Mideast Correspondent and author Alan Hart described what he thinks may have really happened on that fateful day on yesterday’s Kevin Barrett show. CLICK HERE TO LISTEN TO THE AUDIO ARCHIVE..

    Hart, who got to know Yasser Arafat and Golda Meir while serving as a Security Council-briefed Mideast peace negotiator, said that he has been assured by a top-level demolitions/engineering expert who wishes to remain anonymous that the three World Trade Center skyscrapers were destroyed by controlled demolitions, not plane crashes and fires. (For the names of more than 1000 experts willing to go on the record with the same opinion, see

    During the hour-long interview, Hart discussed Israel’s record of engaging in outrageous attacks on friend and foe alike, and spreading even more outrageous lies to cover them up. (Around the midpoint of the show he explained the real reason Israel attacked the U.S.S. Liberty in 1967.)

    Regarding 9/11, Hart suggested that while there may have been some original terrorist plot conceived by fellow-travelers of Osama Bin Laden, the Israeli Mossad, with its near-total penetration of Middle Eastern governments and terrorist groups alike, would have quickly detected and hijacked the operation to its own ends, orchestrating a spectacularly successful attack on America designed to be blamed on its Arab and Muslim enemies. Hart added that the Mossad operation that became 9/11 would have been aided and abetted by certain corrupt American leaders.

    Sounding a chilling note, Hart added that the U.S. is in grave danger of an Israeli-instigated false-flag nuclear attack, perhaps using an American nuclear weapon stolen from Minot Air Force Base during the “loose nukes” rogue operation of August, 2007. The motive would be to trigger a U.S. war with Iran, and perhaps to finish the ethnic cleansing of Palestine under cover of war–which Hart is convinced the Zionists are planning to do as soon as the opportunity presents itself.
    end quote

  14. ZicaTanka says:

    I’m sticking to the “magic bolt” theory. To quote remo.

  15. remo wrote:

    “Sounding a chilling note, Hart added that the U.S. is in grave danger of an Israeli-instigated false-flag nuclear attack, perhaps using an American nuclear weapon stolen from Minot Air Force Base during the “loose nukes” rogue operation of August, 2007. The motive would be to trigger a U.S. war with Iran, and perhaps to finish the ethnic cleansing of Palestine under cover of war–which Hart is convinced the Zionists are planning to do as soon as the opportunity presents itself.”

    The only flaw in that argument is that no nuclear weapons were stolen during that incident. See my articles on the subject in the archives here. Also remember that MORE heads rolled over Minot/Barksdale than did after 9/11. Virtually the entire Air Force chain of command for nuclear weapons were replaced wholesale. Besides, if Israel were to carry out a flase flag nuclear attack, it would make more sense to use a Russian, Pakistani or one of their own devices. In fact, a Pakistani weapon would actually be the ideal one to use from an Israeli perspective.

  16. Turan Erbil says:

    Merhaba Sibel!
    Gulen is a name we have heard in Turkiye for some time, I am intrigued by his cult and abilities to charm politicans and influence, giving he has a 5th grade education.
    Back home in Turkiye, he is still wanted for trying to overthrow a secular government- no wonder he has flown the Turkey coop for a fortress in Poconos, PA and emassed a $25 billion fortune. Not bad for a 5th grade educated Sufi from south east Turkey. Maybe Sibel can shed light on the rumors from Ankara that Gulen is really from Kurdish extraction.
    I have researched some of his articles and it is obviously full of fluff. His people claim Gulen has had discussions with Pope John Paul II, Patriarch Bartholomeos of the Greek Church and Rabbi Doran. I think they are all just good advertising and claims on the Gulen part, since none of those religious establishments official endorse this knucklehead.
    Evidently his USA based Charter Schools is causing quite a bit of controvsy among parents and teachers. Seems they want answers from the schools and they are not getting them. I found this one web site, looks like there is trouble brewing, whatever America decides to do with this tool please don’t send him back to Turkiye.

  17. Turan Erbil says:

    An interesting question I pose for you. Any idea what the Q’uran passage is that Gulen has on his entry to is fortress along with the Turkish fighter planes?

  18. Ishmael. ZT. Thank you. Yes, with regards Minot, that was and is my understanding too. For me the point tho, was that a man of M Harts standing was prepared to utter the possibility so freely. As with M Sabrosky. That their experienced judgments so unequivocally identified mossad in this matter.

  19. Now they have tunnels under the ocean.

  20. Kingfisher says:
    “Reading history’s lessons also would have shown that the one foreigner who had the most successful strategy for Afghanistan was Genghis Khan. He killed all the Afghan fighters and their families he encountered, built mountains of their skulls to remind Afghans that Mongols are not to be trifled with and then got his army out of the country to India as quickly as possible. George W. Bush had the chance to play Genghis for about a year but didn’t. Instead, he and his clone Obama defied history to try to win the love of Afghans and international applause. In the end, both men earned and richly merited what we see today—abject Western defeat.”

  21. camusrebel says:

    how else would they get to their subterranean homesick fortresses?
    catch up editM, they been there big long time,
    can you say, “Atlantis”

  22. camusrebel says:


    (she may, she may, she may)


    (she may, she may, she may)


  23. But Kingfisher, Sebastian Junger documents that U.S. warriors get the most incredible adrenalin rush being outnumbered, fighting in low tech terrain, with high tech weapons that weigh anywhere from 80 -120 lbs. that they have to lug up to high ground to shoot enemy warriors. Then they get to sleep 12 hours a day. Where else can our soldiers such a fun job? Here they would just have to herd a bunch of us liberal anti-war types that don’t know how to fight or choose not to fight. It’s not courage, it’s the adrenalin rush, dude.

  24. Kingfisher says:


    American liberals could use a little more testosterone, as with everything the poison is in the portions:

  25. @camusrebel (June 27th, 2010 at 7:42 pm ): “…Will “Not-at-Allbright” tell us how many million Iranian children are fair game? …”

    Oh, the Madeleine Mad Cow monster… A couple of days ago Al-Jazeera had an excellent analysis of roots of “Israeli” exceptionalism, ,
    starting with a quote: “Many people in the Islamic world think America does not believe in human rights, but they are wrong; America believes in human rights indeed, the problem is the American definition of human.” But how Albright’s entire genocidal ilk defines human is even more the problem.

    “…The Zionistas … have taken over our country …”, true, while the ~98% were sleeping. “This madness must end …”, definitely, though the question is still how.

  26. Human Rights for some. Not all in America have Human Rights or even Constitutional Rights.

  27. CamusRebel, that was sarcasm. Sorry Charlie.

  28. ZicaTanka says:


    in·de·pend·ence[ ìndə péndənss ]NOUN

    1. freedom from control: freedom from dependence on or control by another person, organization, or state

    2. beginning of political freedom: the date or point in time when a state achieves its political independence

  29. Happy Fourth of July in the Land of the Free. Check out video below and download April 2010 version of Ubuntu. It runs Firefox and you can test run it before ditching Windows. Be Free. Live long and Prosper

    Rarely does a lobbyist listen to someone and feel utterly impressed, no strings or cautious thoughts attached…Or at least, not an “old rot” like me…But today, just for a few minutes, I felt like “not all was lost”…that some sense would come out of the ongoing debates on how to “handle the Internet” if someone with the eloquence, brains and proven delivery record of Julian Assange could be invited to speak in a place such as the European Parliament, in the context of the ALDE organised debate on (Self) Censorship and Freedom of Expression in Europe.
    And so he did, and he did well, at both a philosophical level and in terms of quoting facts, cases, real life. Sitting on the panel was also the representative of the Icelandic Parliament that spearheaded their “Safe Haven” law for publishers and whistle blowers, and a professor specialised in libel and defamation laws, whom I will not name just in case he sues me for “attacking his reputation”, as he seemed really gung ho on that one.
    I would encourage everyone to listen to the debate once it gets posted [Addition on 4 July: link to video here – thanks to commentators] on the ALDE website

  30. Land of The Free.


  31. An appropriate song for the 4th. Jefferson Airplane, “We Can Be Together”

    We are ALL Outlaws in the eyes of America.

  32. camusrebel says:

    Remo, thank you very much for the Sabrosky and Hart revelations.

    When the whole world knows Mossad did 911, the Zionists will be no more and peace loving jews will gladly dismantle the mistake of 48, joining a new country called….Palestine.

  33. camusrebel says:

    How’zat for a one state solution

  34. Kingfisher says:

    “How’zat for a one state solution”

    Your grand idea is to replace one small crappy state (Israel) with another small crappy state (Palestine), that’s progress?

    It’s a useless strip of desert inhabited by tribes each as savage as the next. Peace is a pipedream in that land. Just trading one form of suck for another. Burning it to the ground and salting the earth is a better solution.


  35. More about “The Land of The Free” … or, who rules America…

    The First Amendment holds … unless it does not suit “that” particular “nationality”. Ask Helen Thomas … or anyone who has held any job, for that matter…

  36. Turan Erbil says:

    A famous experiment was once conducted that involved placing a frog in a kettle of water. Don’t know who ever thought up this experiment, but it serves as an excellent illustration. If the frog were placed in a pot of boiling water, the frog would immediately jump out so as not to be scalded. Then the frog was placed in the water while it was yet cool. As the frog sat contently in the water, the water was heated one degree at a time. The frog adapted to the gradual changes in temperature until it boiled to death!

    The Gulen Movement can be likened to that frog. Gulens followers sit nice and comfortably in their charter schools, while the leadership implements Turkish nationalism and Turkish pride within the student body. They will choose to build a charter school and grow it. Then pick the fruits of it and plant its seeds nearby and grows another.

    The fruits of money and self promotion is not in the ideals of some of these teachers. Many give back there own pay and at times voluntarily go with out to sacrifice for the movement. For the creation of another school. These Gulen schools are the only schools that are growing at an alarming rate. In this economy what other industries do you see expanding and replicating itself? The only plant in the garden that will grow with out nutrients and water is a weed.

    Like the frog in the kettle not aware of it the temperature one degree at a time, the flowering gardens of academia is being over ran by weeds choking the whole tree. If the American government cannot be strong enough to stand in and stop this spread of Gulen’s so called moderate Islam then we the parents and community could simply stop watering the weeds. Our children is the future of this country. This is your wake up call in world gone mad. Our countries future is only as good as the information we feed our children.

    The break down in modern education and family has allowed someone else to come in and do it for you. If you would never allow a Turkish Muslim flag to fly over your homes, then why would one cheer a child who dances and sings under one? Every year the shows get bigger and bit more bold. The schools grow and more and more children compete and sing and dance for Gulen for Turkish delegates, to entertain them for there amusement and not more for America and there own families. Our garden is full of weeds. I don’t blame them for invading our garden of children. I blame the farmer who has stopped caring for his children and his land. When he had stopped caring his children found another garden to play in.

  37. Turan, education is universal. Where their is opposition we will diversify. Where our soil peels we will grow beyond aesthetic. And where children sing we will make them do lots of other dignifying stuff before they drive us all mad. Look at this article.

  38. Turan, education is universal. Where their is opposition we will diversify. Where our soil peels we will grow beyond aesthetic. And where children sing we will make them do lots of other dignifying stuff before they drive us all mad. Look at this article.

  39. Apparently Gulen movement has many schools all over the world. Are their schools outside U.S. charter schools or private schools? My quick research indicates they are private. Seems like controversy around him is being used to bash successful charter schools.

  40. First Post!

    I joined as I am very interested in the Gulen Movement. I have just discovered that I am currently working at a Gulen movement university in SEA. I am also a Masters of Communication (media) and International Relations candidate, so this is all very interesting me.

    I will be following things closely.


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