Digging Deeper in Years into Wikileaks’ Treasure Chest- Part I

A Fairly Short List of Goodies for Wikileaks Santa


wikiI have been waiting. I have been searching and reading. I have been waiting impatiently while searching and reading the initial pile of recently released Wikileaks’ documents, specifically those pertaining to Turkey. I have received many e-mails asking me impatiently to comment and provide my analyses on this latest international exposé. I am being impatiently patient in doing so, and here is a brief explanation as to why:

There’s so much I don’t know. I don’t know how real this entire deal actually is. If truly ‘real,’ I don’t know how far and deep the involved documents actually go. Many of my trusted friends tell me it is indeed real. A few trusted friends and advisors are ringing cautionary bells. I am truly pro transparency, and considering the abusive nature and use of secrecy and classification, I am mostly pro leak when the information in question involves criminal deeds and intentions.

During the previous release (Afghan Files), in my gut I was a bit bothered by the direction of some of these released documents - pointing towards Iran - which was generously milked by the US mainstream media. But then again, that was only based on some gut feeling, and I didn’t want to pour out analyses and opinion solely based on ‘some gut feeling.’ So far, some of the first cache of the recently released documents is strongly pointing towards Iran, and that too is bothering the heck out of me. But again, in my gut, and that alone is not sufficient to make me sit and analyze and interpret. So this is why I’ve been impatiently patient, waiting for more. Meanwhile, while I am restraining myself and being uncharacteristically patient, I am going to go on record and tell you what I expect to see if this whole deal proves to be completely genuine, and if the obtained files go as far as they say they go.

I prepared a long list of items (documented diplomatic correspondence) I know to be included in diplomatic communications which took place between the mid 90s and early 2000s. I know I have a fairly large credit due with Santa since I’ve never made a wish list for him; ever. He owes me. He knows it and I know it. While that justifies my very long list (now you know I am old!!) I am going to exercise a little bit of fairness and present my list in manageable quantities and intervals. I hope my Wikileaks Santa has ‘word/phrase search’ technology at his disposal, because that would make his task of sorting and finding my requested items a far easier task. Okay, here it goes Wikileaks Santa, my first list for you, may your immensely large goodies bag contain these items highly beneficial for not only me but many others here and abroad:

1- 1994-1996: Communication pertaining to joint US-Turkey operations against former Azerbaijani president Heydar Aliyev, including at least one ‘mock’ assassination attempt in Azerbaijan.

2- 1994-1997: Communication between the US State Department, US Embassy in Ankara, and Turkish Prime Minister’s office pertaining to using the Azerbaijan president’s family members’ (including his son Ilham Aliyev) casino debts accumulated in Turkey as means to blackmail on the Pipeline project and Russia’s pending proposal.

3- 1994-1995: Communication pertaining to US-Turkey coordination on transferring several groups of Mujahideen from Pakistan-Afghanistan-Saudi Arabia to Bosnia via Turkey using Turkish special military planes into Turkey, and after granting Mujahideen Turkish passports, via NATO planes from Turkey to several Balkan countries, including Romania.

4- 1994-1997: Communication pertaining to US involvement in Turkish casino expansions in Azerbaijan and free-ownership (partnership) being granted to key Azeri political figures and their family members for future ‘leverage’.

5- 1994-1997: Communication pertaining to US ‘off the book’ money transfers to Turkish paramilitary members and the president of Kazakhstan using several accounts in Cyprus’ First Merchant Bank.

6- 1994-1997: Communication pertaining to US ‘off the book’ wire transfers through Cyprus’ First Merchant Bank to two Chechen leaders with Turkish citizenship for prearranged arm procurement deals via front dealers in Dubai.

7- 1995-1997: Communication pertaining to US negotiation with two top Turkish casino owners for casino projects to be established in Turkmenistan and Kazakhstan with Cyprus’ First Merchant Bank acting as the primary banking conduit; the bank’s primary role: conduit for payments obtained for US weapons’ shipment transfer to ‘black-listed’ recipients via False End User Certificates

8- 1995: Communications pertaining to special requests by the US Embassy in Ankara for the immediate release of Yasar OZ, who was detained by DEA in New Jersey on heroin importing and distribution charges. Per US State Department order Yasar OZ was immediately released and his file became classified.

9- 1996-1997: Communication pertaining to ‘evacuating’ (pulling out) then US Ambassador to Turkey Marc Grossman, due to a ‘secret’ warrant by the Susurluk commission seeking his testimony on involvement with illegal Turkish paramilitary operations targeting the Caucasus and Central Asia.

10- 1997-1998: Communication pertaining to a ‘special request’ for urgently granting US residency to Turkish paramilitary director Mehmet Eymur, who directed several criminal operations, including assassination plots against foreign leaders, as part of joint US- ‘Special’ NATO operations in Central Asia and the Caucasus.

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  1. Bill Bergman says:

    Casinos, very interesting, on my wish list too. Thanks, Sibel

  2. @Bill: Oh yes, casinos casinos, and of course our FIrst Merchant Bank…which wasn’t black listed by the State Department until late 2004 despite…
    If you can save this particular post…with the latest attempts on black-holing info you never know…

  3. Two good articles for evaluating Wikileaks and Julian Assange and their motives:


    Here’s Assange’s own essays from 2006 published by Cryptome:


    My take is that Assange is the real deal. He comes from the best part of hacker culture in his belief in the free flow of information. If he WAS a plant or a covert operative, would we really be seeing all these denial-of-service attacks or arrest warrants for having unprotected consensual sex being trumpeted by Interpol and the straight press?

  4. Forgot to add. On the Casino deals. Remember Jack Abramoff and the SunCruz casino cruise line affair.


  5. @Sibel Very interesting. Thanks for the specific info.

    @Ismael I have to respectfully disagree with your implication that if Assange wasn’t for real we wouldn’t be seeing these attacks. We have to keep in mind that intelligence agencies are full of people who’ve studied ways of deceiving and psychological warfare for years and years and have access to decades of accumulated information. The one thing they would do if they were trying to plant a fake whistleblower site is pretend to attack that site. And in addition when Assange was tried and convicted for hacking in his early twenties he mysteriously got off with almost no punishment in complete contrast to other cases involving hacking in Australia at the time. So some kind of deal with the government seems likely. I can’t find the article where I read this right now, but if I do I’ll link to it later. I’m not saying I definitely believe Wikileaks is an intelligence operation, just noting that it’s a murky, murky world and I too have my gut feelings of discomfort with Wikileaks. Nevertheless like I said. I just don’t know, it could be legitimate.

    Also, this could be nothing but even if it is, it’s interesting. Apparently Assange ran away from home when he was 11 to avoid being turned over to a cult-like group sometimes referred to as “The Family” by a friend of his mother’s. This group was involved in some very weird things, which reminded me of the type of things you read about being involved in some alleged mind control experiments (MK-ultra, etc). There’s some info on them in Wikipedia. They were also known as “Santiniketan Park Association”. Anyway, . . .

  6. I suspect Wikileaks just because they are all over the media now. And who is being held in confinement for the leak? If they wanted Assange, they would have him. Where can anyone hide, anymore? Especially with a background like his. Seriously.

    The stage has been set, the script has been written, the palin puppet posts and tweets the terrorist rhetoric down the throats of lame stream America. Who pulls those strings? I think we can easily follow that money trail. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. Who is the big player that is suspiciously absent from these leaks? That’s my take. Not that this info isn’t valuable or damning, but whose holding the full house?

  7. I agree with Metem. Wikileaks looks like a CIA operation to me. Most of what is released is sensational chicken feed that gets the media all excited but is really not serious. The serious stuff all points to war with Iran, which is on the agenda of neocons, Israel and the Sunni Arab sheiks and dictators whom we support, and looks like it was seeded there by various intelligence agencies. israel in particular comes out smelling like a rose. Zbigniew Brzezinski, who is no peacenik, but who does not agree with the neocons and opposes war with Iraq, has said this on PBS in a in interview including neocon Stephen Hadley:

  8. theepitbull says:


    Regarding Wikileaks I believe it’s an government operation and have felt so for quite some time.

    One of the tale tale signs of a government operation is that it’s never transparent.

    Secondly, it always exhibits darkness/narcissism etc…See http://www.presstv.ir/detail/139689.html

    Thirdly, and most importanly is that it always exhibits ambiguity as to keep plausibility deniability intact.

    Does this mean the information provided/leaked is disinformation? Not always…it all
    depends upon the intent of the operation e.g. cui bono (“To whose benefit?”, literally “as a benefit to whom?.) Often times these type of covert operations combine legitimate information with disinformation as to give legitimacy to the operation and it’s hidden intent.

    Wikileaks has exhibited these and other signs that point to a government operation. For
    emphasis, recently some of the leaked documents have been redacted?

    See: http://cryptome.org/0003/wikileaks-coward.htm

    Who else redacts documents and for what purpose? Government and it’s agency’s?

    See: https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Sanitization_(classified_information)

    Sanitization is the process of removing sensitive information from a document or other medium, so that it may be distributed to a broader audience. When dealing with classified information, sanitization attempts to reduce the document’s classification level, possibly yielding an unclassified document. Originally, the term sanitization was applied to printed documents; it has since been extended to apply to computer media and the problem of data remanence as well.

    Redaction generally refers to the editing or blacking out of text in a document, or to the result of such an effort. It is intended to allow the selective disclosure of information in a document while keeping other parts of the document secret. Typically the result is a document that is suitable for publication, or for dissemination to others than the intended audience of the original document. For example, when a document is subpoenaed in a court case, information not specifically relevant to the case at hand is often redacted.

    Government secrecy

    In the context of government documents, redaction (also called sanitization) generally refers more specifically to the process of removing sensitive or classified information from a document prior to its publication, during declassification.

    In my humble opinion

    ((( 3 )) 😉

    PS: Quote of the week:http://www.au.af.mil/info-ops/influence.htm

    One cannot wage war under present conditions without the support of public opinion, which is tremendously molded by the press and other forms of propaganda.

    — General Douglas MacArthur

  9. @Metem: Thanks for the info on “Santiniketan Park Association,” just finished reading it. Interesting, indeed!

    @tonywicher: I’m impatiently waiting…time will show. Hope I didn’t waste a few good hours on a wish-list never to come;-)

  10. Here’s the link to the article that brings up Assange’s suspiciously light sentence when he was 20. That’s also where I got the info about him running away when he was 11.


    Also it’s maybe worth pointing out that even if Wikileaks is not an intelligence operation it can very easily be used by governments to leak documents that could be embrassing for others and serve their purposes generally, as Brzezinski points out with regard to the statements of various Arab leaders which could be problematic for the domestically. On the other hand the purpose could have been propaganda for the American citizens increasingly distrustful of their government. Who knows?

    @tonywicher Thanks for the link to the Brzezinski vid.

  11. yeah well dissing Assange is real easy, but wikileaks has shown up the bunch of nazis running this global criminal cartel for the malevolent conspirators they are, and now they are after him by any means including seeding stuff here, and maybe he is or isn’t everything said, but, If this man ‘did the deal’ back when apprehended, he is just as likely to be playing double now. He is sharp as a tack. Has great memory, does not like the globalist thievery running the world, and I hope he is true and makes it somehow.

  12. cadillac1960 says:

    Well why should we have to wait at all? I am no hacker, although I am a programmer. If it was my leak, I would be putting it ALL out there from thousands of sources simultaneously. I just don’t buy this “release it through the media” stuff. No argument I have heard convinces me this is the right way to go about this.

    I want a download link for the whole kit and kaboodle so I can review whatever portions I want to review when I want to review them. I want to see it on torrent sites, download sites, blogs, facebook, everywhere. The fact that it isn’t give me pause in believing this is anything other than a covert operation to shape the minds of the sheeple using a planted bad/good guy.

    Just my two cents, and we all know what that is worth these days.

    Best quote I heard today, that is somewhat related to this type of transparency and suppresion, was from Kennedy (though I have not vetted this, but regardless of who said it, one can see why it rings true past, present and future):

    “Those who make peaceful revolution impossible, make violen revolution innevitable.”

    Let’s do all we can to make this peaceful revolution a reality.

  13. cadillac1960 says:

    I guess a concise way to put all that would be:

    Why is the wikileak plugged?

    Thanks for all you do Sibel.

  14. I haven’t seen my POV expressed exactly. I think if Assange is on the up and up, then Sibel’s questions will provide insight. Trick is whether the questions will get to Assange and his group. As for elephants in the room, I think the fact that Promis and Israeli software have so heavily compromised our own internet security, is reflected in the lack of dirt on Israel. One could counter that is because the Israelis have better internet security. I hope Julian makes it, but when you play high stakes games such as Wikileaks has embarked upon, you can’t have a bunch of girlfriends in every port. The dark side will use that against you.

  15. Kingfisher says:


    So far all the Wikileaks cablegate material has only been classified Secret//Noforn and below. The stuff on your list I imagine would be Top Secret. I believe the alleged leaker PFC Manning at one time had a TS clearance, but I am not sure it is known if any of the leaked cables were TS.

    Interesting requests though, I will add them to my timeline; they cluster nicely with reported events and other things you have mentioned. I may have to write a book.


  16. When I read information, such as the article below, in foreign press, I feel Julian has every right to be afraid. While Wikileaks is simply putting information in the public domain, it is exposing some tremendous blunders. Has anyone seen similar reporting in US press?

    Brazil’s, G1 Mundo newpaper reported, (in Spanish) Sunday

    Telegrams of American diplomats disclosed this Sunday (5) by Wikileaks site indicate that the United States are facing problems in financing spreads the extremist Islamic groups.

    According to messages, the country is annoyed with many of his allies, who continue to send money to militants. A statement sent by the American Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton, criticizing Saudi Arabia, saying that in 2009 the largest Sunni extremists donors came from there.

    Among groups who received money from the Saudis are Al-Qaeda, the Taliban, Hamas and Lashkar-e-Taiba, which operates mainly in Pakistan. Messages also stated that the Qatar and Kuwait were not working to stop sending money to those groups.

  17. Kingfisher says:

    Most of the information in the cables is known to people who follow such things. For example none of the stuff about Silvio Berlusconi is something the Italian people have not heard before. The fact that Saudi Arabian money still funds terrorist groups is something known to people who follow the issue of terrorism.

    In this regard I do not think Assange is as revolutionary in bringing transparency to the world as he claims. This stuff is only news or is shocking to people who have little understanding of the underlying issues to begin with. The state department cables released so far have only been a little better than what you would find in reading the Economist Intelligence Unit, Oxford Analytica, Jane’s Intelligence, Global Insight, or Intelligence Online. All of which you can purchase a subscription to.

  18. Benyamin owns the company I guess.He is always right. Hillary sais so.

    3- 1994-1995: Communication pertaining to US-Turkey coordination on transferring several groups of Mujahideen from Pakistan-Afghanistan-Saudi Arabia to Bosnia via Turkey using Turkish special military planes into Turkey, and after granting Mujahideen Turkish passports, via NATO planes from Turkey to several Balkan countries, including Romania.

    NATO planes flying Mujahideen mercenaries on Turkish passports to Bosnia.
    Thats democratic of em. Armitage|associates database recruitment drive? went on to fill patsy hijack role 911? I read that somewhere.

    10- 1997-1998: Communication pertaining to a ‘special request’ for urgently granting US residency to Turkish paramilitary director Mehmet Eymur, who directed several criminal operations, including assassination plots against foreign leaders, as part of joint US- ‘Special’ NATO operations in Central Asia and the Caucasus.

    murder and mayhem.
    wikilist confirms mass murder, corrupt elite interactions/practices international assassination cover-ups of all kinds under secrecy prov.
    All information under ‘state protection’ inverse justice.

    Julian Assange is hunted like a dog worldwide for the crime of not wearing a condom during consensual sex.
    Gives whole other meaning to Hillary urging DNA sampling from diplomatic purses.

    Anyone with any real info is called terrorist. .

  19. @KF: You bring up good points. On ‘classification’: Again, probably right, but sometimes the classification occurs in different stages in various degrees. For example: FBI receives a document or a piece of communication from, let’s say a foreign embassy, and that document is stamped ‘confidential’ based on initial review. Then, once the agent in charge of target program goes over it he requests ‘Secret’ tag, and receives it. Then, the analyst(s) goes over it…and the documents received TS status or above…Of course at any point during these stages a directive/order from above may come issuing higher level classification due to the highly embarrassing nature of the info…or…involvement of a not very straight forward informant…or possibility of liability due to legal implications (let’s say we had responsibility/role in certain damages brought upon certain victims thus subject to certain legal liabilities)…

    So what I am trying to say is this: if some of these cables were first hand, raw, initial pieces of communication, then, whatever classification they had to start with could have been changed/tagged later…On the other hand, you are right about ‘certain lines of communications’ being classified at higher level, or, communicated via different means/channels…

    Too many words!!! Now I got myself all dizzy!!!!!

  20. Sibel, Grab the edge of the coffee table so you don’t fall down.

    Yes, I’m pretty sure I understand what you have said, Classified information upon review, becomes more highly secretive as it goes through it’s process.This is the nature of the bureaucratic hierarchy. Otherwise the people in the process would be deprived of pounding a gavel. I think that is it. UN-graveling, therefore, is a more difficult bureaucratic process. Bigger gavel and more authority needed.

    Julian Assange and Wikileaks have made information available to those, who some have considered, not in need to know. Now, his life is on the line. To me, having revelations brought forth by foreign press, not US, is disturbing. I in no way connect Wikileaks other than the messenger. I have open ???s.

  21. Re: is Wikileaks a CIA front, I have lots of doubts about that.

    It’s one thing for other sites (Cryptome, WMR and others) to throw out vague statements like intelligence agencies commonly manipulate, this is a classic tactic that we’ve seen before, and so on. Yet, what I’m still seeing is essentially a turf war.

    These other guys are to a degree still pissed off that Assange and Wikileaks are still getting tons of global publicity (and apparently more donations than they are)? We all know in this global depression there’s only a limited amount of potential donations. Despite that, have Cryptome or Wayne Madsen ever been on global media the way Assange has? No. Why? Is it because there’s no “man of mystery angle” to hype? Who knows.

    What’s kept me from donating to Wikileaks? Lack of acountability of their spending. It’s one thing for Assange to try and protect himself by not leaving a trail for security services to follow. But also, it’s not exactly cheap living in London, Stockholm and other major cities in Europe (even if you do crash at friends’ flats). Frankly, I don’t want my donation to pay for his “man of mystery” lifestyle.

    Assume for a moment that Wikileaks is a CIA front. You could argue that yes, much of the Stateside public is gullible and be easily manipulated. Despite that, look at how this has unfolded so far.

    There have been three major releases from Wikileaks. So far, any massive public backlash? Any endless protests in front of the White House? No.

    So what’s the purpose here? To make sure that the public remains docile despite the ulgy truth right there in front of them? This then makes Obama feel confident that he can get away with almost anything, and nobody will touch him?

    Another angle. It’s a plot to shut down what’s left of the “liberal and progressive” media once and for all. The NYT gives in and starts to work with Wikileaks. Holder rewrites the Espionage Act to justify the DOJ shutting them down for violating “national security”. They fight it out in the courts and then the Supreme Court rules in favor of Holder.

    What then? The neocons in Congress hate Obama. The neocon media hates him. If you shut down any potentially friendly media, what good does that do? Somehow that will make the neocons more open to bi-partisanship? I don’t think so.

    Assange is a master at using the global media to further his cause. The “mysterious” background only helps to increase the hype, and he knows that (despite him walking out of a CNN interview and other earlier comments). Obama won’t have him killed, because what then could he get out of it to help him? Nothing. Assange would be a global martyr and Obama would never be able to live that down.

  22. Hey Sibel

    You can search more specifically if you need to by using Google and by declaring within isolated websites. For example I have an address to one of the mirror sites to the cablegate files and it is

    So what you do is enter your search term let’s say Turkey in Google and then declare the website with “site:” (without the quotes)

    altogether it would look like this

    Turkey site:

    This works with any website domain name like if some wanted to search for something specific on boilingfrogspost.com they would enter in Google

    wikileaks site:http://www.boilingfrogspost.com

    I agree to the CIA claim also
    At this point it’s beginning to look like it’s safe to call this one a diversion tactic. First of all, what’s really in these cables that’s of any value to anyone on either side? I’ve read a few of these cables and I’m finding them to be hardly damaging to any side at all U.S. or foreign. Mostly they read like your typical high school he said she said gossip.

    For days now it’s been Wikileaks all across the board. Headlines read “Wikileaks to release bombshell insurance info if shut down.” “Assange founder of Wikileaks sought after by Interpol.” “Amazon cuts Wikileaks from their servers.” Wikileaks Wikileaks Wikileaks Wikileaks Wikileaks. Wasn’t it a few days before the cablegate story broke that N. Korea bomb S. Korea initiating the possibility of another war and a U.S. Invasion? Now it’s all eyes on Wikileaks. Mean while U.S. and S. Korea have joined forces to run might and power exercises towards N. Korea? Now it almost seems like it never happened. All the reporting on that has practically vanished.

    Also there’s the high probability that Wikileaks is a political weapon to shove down congress’s throat to speed up the takeover of the Internet. For those who are unaware, Department of Homeland Security, members of congress, and the U.S. Army have drafted a bill for a full takeover of the internet. Joe Lieberman and Jay Rockafeller are among the few who are pushing hard for this to pass. I should also note that two weeks ago Jay Rockafeller actually sat in front of Congress and said “I’m thinking about having FCC completely dismantle and get rid of FOX and MSNBC news outlets.” Why? “So congress can get their work done and the people can regain their faith in Government.” Seems more like a request so members of congress can carryout their criminal activities in peace. They’ve even gone as far as stating in their documents that anyone who wants to preserve the internet as is and opposes a Government controlled internet is considered a possible terrorist extremest who’s plotting a cyber terrorist attack on the internet. Guess who members of congress are labeling a cyber terrorist? Yep wonder boy Assange is now officially a cyber terrorist. This would be a perfect tool for you if you were having trouble convincing congress to pass bills that will most likely finalize the complete destruction of the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights. Welcome to the New World Order folks.

    You can check out the documents on my blog at this page http://rtjwilde.blogspot.com/p/documentaries.html scroll down to


    The biggest indicator is that Assange has been public enemy number one for over two weeks and still the FBI, NSA, Interpol, CIA, MOD, MI6, MI5 can’t find this guy and have no idea where he’s at. Yet he’s somehow able to conduct interviews with certain news agencies and we keep seeing these new rock star style photographs appearing on the internet. This whole thing with Wikileaks is a scam and a set up. Now he’s an alleged sex offender in Sweden!

  23. @cyberbill: I pursued the mirror site and got no further than yesterday. Can you provide the link that reveals the cables from Turkey? I don’t think they are up yet in the public domain. Meanwhile, I noticed that Erdoghan and Netanyahu met over the forest fire, and perhaps to reconcile differences over the Gaza flotilla. If the Israeli’s are the primary source of the damaging leaks then a little pressure on Turkey for complicity in a number of shenanigans such as heroin manufacture and Israeli/Russian Mafiya might cause Turkey to consider Israel more favorably. Then if Turkey decides to go its own way, well a few cleaned-up cables about Turkey would seriously damage U.S. – Turkey relations.

  24. Since Assange has now been arrested on those Swedish rape charges, We might find it interesting to read this article on the backgrounds of Assange’s accusers:


    “Anna Ardin (the official complainant) is often described by the media as a “leftist”. She has ties to the US-financed anti-Castro and anti-communist groups. She published her anti-Castro diatribes (see here and here) in the Swedish-language publication Revista de Asignaturas Cubanas put out by Misceláneas de Cuba. From Oslo, Professor Michael Seltzer points out that this periodical is the product of a well-financed anti-Castro organization in Sweden. He further notes that the group is connected with Union Liberal Cubana led by Carlos Alberto Montaner whose CIA ties were exposed here. Note that Ardin was deported from Cuba for subversive activities. In Cuba she interacted with the feminist anti-Castro group Las damas de blanco (the Ladies in White). This group receives US government funds and the convicted anti-communist terrorist Luis Posada Carriles is a friend and supporter. Wikipedia quotes Hebe de Bonafini, president of the Argentine Madres de Plaza de Mayo as saying that “the so-called Ladies in White defend the terrorism of the United States.”

    more on his other accuser:

    “The second accuser, Sofia Wilen, 26, is Anna’ friend. Here is a video of an Assange press conference where one can see the girls together. Those present at the conference marveled at her groupie-like behavior. Though rock stars are used to girls dying to have sex with them, it is much less common in the harsh field of political journalism. Sofia worked hard to bed Assange, according to her own confession; she was also the first to complain to police. She is little known and her motives are vague. Why might a young woman (who shares her life with American artist Seth Benson) pursue such a sordid political adventure?”

    So, if wikileaks is a CIA front, why would women with CIA connections be trying to set him up? Can you say, “Honey Trap”?

  25. @Ismael Thanks, I was aware of one possible CIA link that was even more vague than that for one of them. But this provides a little more. Of course, none of this is conclusive either way. I could always point out that my original contention was that if he was CIA the very thing to do would be to have the CIA attack him.

    But all that’s hypothetical, cause I’m not committed either way. Just noting some suspicions.

    Regular drones like myself probably won’t ever get enough evidence either way on this. But even if I were to think I had sufficient evidence one way or the other at some point, because my evidence won’t be likely to be really solid under the circumstances, even then it would probably be prudent just on purely practical grounds to remain agnostic.

    In favor of your side I should point out something that counts against what I said before. I mentioned that Assange had gotten off suspiciously without being charged for hacking when he was younger. But after I looked back over it, it appears that it was only said that others committing similar crimes got sentences of about 2 years. That’s not very much to hold over someone head.

    And oh, here’s one more thing. We’ve known for a while that the Mossad has a history of spying against us quite aggressively. We also know that there are likely to be Mossad spies of some kind quite high up in gov. Lot’s of the leaks serve Israel’s interest (smearing the Turks, the Saudi’s, the Iranians). It could be a Mossad op and the CIA is pissed about the leaks from inside the state dept. and wants to shut it down. The joys of useless speculation.

    Still I think the most important point is that intel op or not Wikileaks, because it’s anonymous, could, and probably will be, used by intel services to plant info, whether to smear their enemies or deceive, or whatever. The only conclusion to draw really is caution.

  26. Very informative links and discussion. Here’s another take on why this should be looked on as important in the grand scheme of things.


  27. @metem, here’s another great article on the wikileaks fallout at alternet this am.


    I find it interesting that the banks are coming down on him before his revelations of the Bank of America files get dumped as well. I’ll be writing and submitting an analysis of the wikileaks episode and submitting it so Sibel in the next few days. But here’s the point I’ve been making all over the net since this broke.

    Since at least 2001, the NSA has been surveilling EVERYTHING we say or do on the Internet and Domestic Telecom system, storing and datamining it for THEIR purposes. What wikileaks and Brad Manning have done is put our government under the EXACT SAME regimen as they have done to US. I think it behooves us as supporters of whistleblowers like Sibel AND Assange to support getting the TRUTH out, wherever it comes from.

  28. Well here it is folks. Confirmation – The internet and free speech is now officially under attack.

    Wikileaks is the false flag attack to sell to congress.

  29. @rtjwilde: Thanks for the link.

    Again, not ready to call it a false flag op. The opportunist tyrannical government using it to accomplish what they truly want (police state): Yes; you bet!

    I agree with Metem, and share his position on this latest…The opportunist tyrannical government using it to accomplish what they truly want (police state): Yes; you bet!

    I agree with Metem, and share his position on this latest…1-Only a small fraction of total data/info/documents has been released…too early to assess their weight/worthiness; 2- If this is a set up (a prepared scenario), the perpetrator may be a different actor, like Israel (again, the upcoming documents will shed some light…); 3- If 2 happens to be the case, then Wikileaks/Assange may be genuine victims used…
    See, why I’ve been waiting; impatiently??!!!!!!!

    I’ll post a brief commentary and a clip later this evening…

  30. Sibel,

    Sad to report that at least for you, SIBEL there probably is no Santa Claus.

    The word on the internet is the most of the yet to be released Diplomatic Communications information by Wikileaks will be about Gitmo.

    My Hypothesis: the really good stuff is not in Wikileak’s hands. This may indicate that Wikileaks is a CIA honey pot. Because releases so far have been just high school gossip stuff.

    An alternate view: Assange will probably end up at Gitmo himself as an enemy combatant. I believe he is a genuine journalist, soon to become a political prisoner. But my opinion will not carry weight with the U. S. Supreme Court, which stands ready, willing and able to shred our Bill of Rights in the name of national security.

    Senators Feinstein and Joe Liebermann the Senate Intelligence chair and Homeland Security chairs respectively need to be watched very closely in the next months to prevent a total clampdown on all dissent and a government crackdown on the internet.

    In closing. Just keep up the Christmas shopping spree folks. Happy Holidays SANTA.

  31. Hi Sibel, try this search site from the European Centre for Computer Assisted Research. it lets you research through all the published cables: http://cablesearch.org/
    the best from switzerland

  32. I like Sibel’s Christmas list. So far I have not seen Wikileaks data more recent than 2003. But if Wikileaks has data going back to 1995, they should also have data directly relating to 9/11, cables from that day and days, weeks and months immediately before and after. That would be my Christmas list. Assange may be completely honest and sincere, as certainly are supporters like Michael Moore, Daniel Elsberg and Coleen Rowley. But still, does he know, or do we, where is all this data coming from? The constant emphais on attacking Iran and the lack of anything damaging to the CIA or to Israel are pretty suspicious. Webster Tarpley calls Wikileaks a “CIA strip tease”. If the next release is about inhumanity at Guantanamo, there will be cries of indignation from the human rights community, but it will be more old news, really. We already heard that KSM was waterboarded 183 times, etc. But 9/11 itself – that is another matter. If the public realizes that the 9/11 attacks were perpetrated by the Bush Administration and blamed on Muslims and that the whole “War on Terror” is a fraud, that that would provoke a revolution against the national security state. That seems to me to be our best hope and most powerful weapon.

  33. –CIA Investigating Impact of Leaked Diplomatic Cables
    (December 22, 2010)
    A CIA task force will examine the implications of the recently released
    diplomatic cables on WikiLeaks. One issue of concern is the possible
    erosion of relationships between the agency and informants following the
    leak. The CIA appears to have been relatively untouched by the leak,
    due perhaps to its reluctance to share information with other agencies.
    When asked to make information available on SIPRNet, the CIA refused
    because of concern about the number of people with access to the
    network. The National Security Agency’s (NSA) response to the WikiLeaks
    disclosures has been “to assume that all the components of [its] system”
    have been compromised.


  34. It is way too early to pass judgement on Wikileaks. The 911 and anti-Jewish sites seem to want Assange to be the Messiah and immediately agree with everything they say on their sites and then show the diplomatic cables which will prove ALL of their theories right. What I make of Wikileaks is that they or someone within US defence/diplomatic circles has obtained around 250,000 cables and most of these would be trivial chatter and overseas staff trying to provide their government with any tiny crumb that fits the narrow minded, ill informed foreign policy of the US. Hence the emphasis on Iran as it is the domino the Neo-Cons want next. Sifting through this mountain of information was supposed to have been speeded up by releasing it to mainstream media outlets as they have far more staff to review this. I think Assange and Wikileaks have been disappointed by the Mainstream media’s handling of this and maybe looking at releasing it some other way. We also have a breakaway from within Wikileaks who wasn’t happy with the way the release went. So they are starting up an alternate site. I am hoping that Wikileaks gets to release what it does have and it may just jolt mainstream media out of its coma and start doing its job as they know they are loosing out to the internet and the “entertainment” which passes for news has lost its credibility and is slowly losing its ratings.

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