Podcast Show #41

The Boiling Frogs Presents Gould-Fitzgerald

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Elizabeth Gould and Paul Fitzgerald join us to talk about their recently released book, Crossing Zero: The AfPak War at the Turning Point of American Empire. They discuss the origins of the Taliban and the array of armed groups in AfPak that are lumped together as “Taliban” by US media and politicians. Gould-Fitzgerald talk about Pakistan’s double play, the struggle for oil and gas that is the basis for the conflict, pipeline politics, the confused or even lack of strategy in the senseless costly war, the current corruption ridden puppet regime in Afghanistan, Obama administration’s drone-mania, their 8-point plan for ending the US occupation, and more!

GFPaul Fitzgerald and Elizabeth Gould, a husband and wife team, began their experience in Afghanistan when they were the first American journalists to acquire permission to enter behind Soviet lines in 1981 for CBS News and produced a documentary, Afghanistan Between Three Worlds, for PBS. In 1983 they returned to Kabul with Harvard Negotiation project director Roger Fisher for ABC Nightline and contributed to the MacNeil/Lehrer News Hour. They continued to research, write and lecture about the long-term run-up that led to the US invasion of Afghanistan. They are featured in an award winning documentary by Samira Goetschel. Titled, Our own Private Bin Laden which traces the creation of the Osama bin Laden mythology in Afghanistan and how that mythology has been used to maintain the “war on terror” approach of the Bush administration. Their latest book Crossing Zero: The AFPAK War at the Turning Point of American Empire published by City Lights in March 2011 focuses on the nuances of the Obama administration's evolving military and political strategy, those who have been chosen to implement it, and the long-term consequences for the U.S. and the region.

Here are our guests Elizabeth Gould & Paul Fitzgerald unplugged!

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*For the history of democracy in Afghanistan, and a detailed recounting of the US support for the Mujahiddin during the 1980′s Soviet occupation, creating some of the “blowback” seen in the current US occupation, listen to Peter B Collins’ recent interview of the Gould-Fitzgerald duo here.

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  1. Incoherent strategy. The point I got from this interview was that it is not a conspiracy, as much as competing leadership agenda, a president who cannot decide, and climate change approaching ever more rapidly. There is enough science and good research to support a few new energy directions, not a multitude of options. Hydrogen fuels cells remain the best bet from my research. Thanks for another good interview.

  2. Maybe it is not about oil: According to the IMF, Libya’s Central Bank is 100% state owned. The IMF estimates that the bank has nearly 144 tons of gold in its vaults. It is significant that in the months running up to the UN resolution that allowed the US and its allies to send troops into Libya, Muammar al-Qaddafi was openly advocating the creation of a new currency that would rival the dollar and the euro. In fact, he called upon African and Muslim nations to join an alliance that would make this new currency, the gold dinar, their primary form of money and foreign exchange. They would sell oil and other resources to the US and the rest of the world only for gold dinars..

    The US, the other G-8 countries, the World Bank, IMF, BIS, and multinational corporations do not look kindly on leaders who threaten their dominance over world currency markets or who appear to be moving away from the international banking system that favors the corporatocracy. Saddam Hussein had advocated policies similar to those expressed by Qaddafi shortly before the US sent troops into Iraq.

    From: johnperkinsauthor@gmail.com
    Subject: Libya: It’s Not About Oil, It’s About Currency and Loans

  3. Great to hear this conversation.x

  4. HAL 9000 says:

    Does anyone have the spelling of the photographer mentioned in this podcast who was killed in Libya? Would like to know the circumstances of his death – was he assassinated or just in the wrong place at the wrong time.

  5. HAL 9000 says:

    By the way, Sibel, you are one of the very few who truly get it. You can see further, deeper, and clearer than nearly all of your guests. Your comment pointing out the absurdity of the US serving as guide or facilitator for nations aspiring toward a free and democratic existence is pure gold. And your assertion that maybe the US ought to just stay home and let the rest of the world heal from all the mayhem we have spread is equally priceless. To borrow a phrase from Ronald Reagan, with one substitution, the nine most terrifying words in the english language are “We’re from America, and we’re here to help you.”

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